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Re: Network Neutrality and Groundhog Day
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:05:18 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: "Steven S. Critchfield" <critch () drunkenlogic com> Date: November 13, 2008 6:01:39 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Network Neutrality and Groundhog Day I get annoyed on a regular basis by Brett Glass' characterization of internet competition as being the same all over as it is for his company. I do not know how the market is in his locality, and will refrain from saying he is wrong in his market. In the market that my money is involved in, the situation is simple. Right now there are 2 main players, AT&T with DSL for the moment and soon to have Uverse. Then you have Comcast. After that you have a few independent DSL providers who piggy back on AT&T copper to get out to the premises. There is a wireless ISP, Clearwire available here as well. Clearwire is only offering 1.5mb connections and at a cost of $29.99 Offerings for DSL are limited to 6mb/512k in my area due to the hardware that AT&T has installed. AT&T offers 1.5mb DSL for $32.95, but for $5 more, you get 3mb DSL, and another $5 gets you yet another double in speed. So 50% more in cost and you get 4 times the performance. Comcast is offering 12mb for $42.95. So top tier DSL price and double the speed. Or to think about it, 50% more than the Wireless ISP and yet 8 times the performance. As far as I can tell, unless one must be mobile while using the internet, the DSL and cable offerings out perform the wireless ISP here. Back to the idea of monopolies that Brett likes to argue against. There is exactly 1 "cable" operator. It used to be Viacom, and they sold the franchise to Comcast. There is exactly 1 "phone" company with wire to the homes. Wireless is the only option here for competition that isn't dependent on one of the government anointed monopolies. The AT&T here is a defacto monopoly because they are the only phone company that owns any copper to the homes. Comcast is a monopoly as they only have the ability in our market to drag coax to the home. Independent ISPs here ride AT&T copper to the home. They may be able to colo in the switch facility and get the traffic out there to their own networks, but it still had to cross AT&T's network. Further, as to if a ISP wants to know what traffic flows over the network for more than just management of the network, I would point you to the phorm trials. If you could install hardware from a third party that snooped all the traffic and the third party payed for it, you might take it so you could get those higher margins that you want. Comparing google to AT&T or Comcast for being a monopoly is not really valid. I can choose to use any search service I want once I am on the network. In the market for email service, Yahoo, Hotmail, google, and many others are out there giving away free email accounts. A consumer is free to choose the account they want. I do not have those same options for my ISP with any decent speed. There is probably a lot more I could write here in complaint to the way these arguments are framed and carried out. I'll leave it at this for now though. Critch ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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