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Re: RIAA wins its first piracy trial
From: David Farber <dfarber () cs cmu edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:15:22 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: October 6, 2007 11:48:41 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: lauren () vortex com Subject: Re: [IP] Re: RIAA wins its first piracy trial Dave, I have refrained from commenting on this trial outcome publicly up to now, but my resistance has run out. All the words have already been written about the RIAA/MPAA/entertainment industries' rights to protect their copyrighted works, and the extent to which those efforts can in many cases be seen to be grossly overreaching. Let's put that all aside for now. What's the real practical positive impact for these industries of this trial decision, other than having created a financial mess for the convicted party (whether or not she actually was breaking the law doesn't even matter for this question). Nothing. Nada. The Big Empty Set. Cases like this are pursued in an attempt to (a) demonstrate that they are "serious" about protecting their copyrighted works, and (b) providing an example to others that presumably will cause other potential violators to fall into line and stop their illicit activities (however defined by the law of the day). While the industry may score on (a), they are accomplishing nothing useful when it comes to (b). I wager that trial results like this cause no perceptible change in the activities that the industry is trying to prevent. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if anger at the result inspires even more of those activities. You don't have to approve of such prosecutable acts to acknowledge that the reality of the situation is such that they're effectively unstoppable. That's simply the bottom line truth. There are lots of nuances and details we could talk about, but the fact is that any business models that depend on stamping out music and video piracy are likely doomed in the long run. I don't enjoy saying this. I have friends in both the music and film industries here in L.A., and there are lots of very hard workers in both who are anything but rich, and are being hurt economically by piracy. But it simply doesn't make sense to pursue a course that everyone knows is not going to succeed. The executives in these industries are mostly not stupid people and they generally do understand at the gut level that these control attempts are going to fail. But they feel desperate. Such lawsuits -- or attempts at draconian copy protection that will also fail in the long run -- are all that they've come up with so far in an attempt to preserve their existing business regimes. They're going with what they've got, even though they can clearly see the handwriting on the wall. Nobody should feel any joy at this situation. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com - - -
Begin forwarded message: From: "K.E." <guavaberry () earthlink net> Date: October 6, 2007 9:07:33 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: rforno () infowarrior org, tfairlie () frontiernet net Subject: Re: [IP] Re: RIAA wins its first piracy trial I read this today and thought to send it along. <snip> I have a hard time seeing it as stealing. I play in a metal band. We have sold around 200k records across 3 releases. We're not 'huge' by any stretch but do alright and live off (and ON subsequently) the road. Fans and friends ask me all the time how I feel about "stealing music." I just told someone yesterday "I have a hard time seeing it as stealing...when I don't see any money from cd sales to begin with. What are they actually TAKING from me?" If you want to squeeze an opinion on theft out of me, ask me about the dude that grabbed our tshirt off the table tonight in Detroit or better yet.. ask me about record contracts. I encourage our fans to acquire our album however they please. The philosophy I've adopted is that if you're supporting disc sales, you're keeping the old model around longer...the one that forces dudes like me to tour 9 mos/year if they want to make ends meet with a career in music. If you wanna really support a band, "steal" their album....help bury the label....and buy a tshirt when you show up at their show and sing every word. Dave Peters Thowdown ---</snip>----- Karen Ellis http://www.edu-cyberpg.com
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