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Where is Proxmire Golden Fleece award when we need it -- Was -- Big Brother


From: David Farber <dfarber () cs cmu edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:43:05 -0400

This brings out again a problem with NSF reviewing. Most folks I talk with believe that the NSF Peer process , at least in Comp Sci, trims away the potentially exciting research and funds SAFE projects where the risks are low (and often the payoff). I can not speak to this effort since all I have seen is the press release bull but if it is accurate then Dave is right on. djf

ps I would like to see the proposal.


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From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: October 7, 2007 12:21:33 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip () v2 listbox com
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [IP] Big Brother

Dave - this is to science what Astrology is to Astronomy. A lot of pseudo-math mumbo-jumbo hiding a false hypothesis.

There being no valid and tested theories as to what measures predict malfeasance, all that is being proposed is a vast array of calculations in support of a theory as valid as that the position of stars at the instant of one's birth determines one's fate.

In other words, it's cyber-bullcrap (or Univ of Buffalo crap). The NSF should be excoriated for such shameful pseudo-science. I had thought that scientific peer review was at the base of NSF decisions. Not peer review by witch doctors who think waving lines of code over a human can predict behavior.

I am bloody serious. Where are the National Academies? Even Proxmire would have been justified calling for the Golden Fleece on this one. Before building the system, perhaps some scientific evidence might be required of the proposers?

And of course, when the "system" shows that a person is a likely "bad actor", will we throw him/her in permanent pre-trial detention without habeas corpus, much less a review of the "science" supposedly supporting the Dept. of Precrime's actions?

- David

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http://www.engadget.com/

Computer and behavioral scientists at the University of Buffalo are developing a system that will allow authorities to track faces, voices, bodies and various other biometrical data to create a score for how likely an individual is to commit a terrorist act. Sound like the scariest Big Brother plot since China's ID card scheme <http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/13/china-outdoes-itself-with- unprecedented-surveillance-initiative/>? Well, rest assured, Winston Smith, the researchers only have your /best interests/ in mind. "The goal is to identify the perpetrator in a security setting before he or she has the chance to carry out the attack," says Venu Govindaraju, professor of computer science and engineering at the university, who was recently awarded $800,000 by the National Science Foundation to create such a system. "We are developing a prototype that examines a video in a number of different security settings, automatically producing a single, integrated score of malfeasance likelihood," adding that the system will incorporate machine "learning" capabilities, which will allow it to adapt over time. "Human screeners have fatigue and bias, but the machine does not blink," the researcher said, just before remarking that he was late for an appointment at the Ministry of Truth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Archives <http://v2.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now> <http:// v2.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/> [Powered by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com>



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