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more on "Strong" AI to be here within 25 years


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:52:40 -0400



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From: Brad Templeton <btm () templetons com>
Date: July 14, 2006 7:39:08 PM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: pollack () cs brandeis edu
Subject: Re: [IP] more on "Strong" AI to be here within 25 years

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 06:22:12PM -0400, David Farber wrote:


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From: Jordan Pollack <pollack () cs brandeis edu>
Date: July 14, 2006 4:28:13 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] "Strong" AI to be here within 25 years

I'm sorry, but baloney is still baloney, because Moore's law doesn't
increase the quality and complexity of our software. We'd see
something coming on supercomputers or grids. Alternative views about
the next 50 years are in the current issue of IEEE Intelligent Systems,
*http://tinyurl.com/hul5g

*IEEE unfortunately charges a fee, but my paper "Mindless
Intellligence" is available free at http://ectomental.com

Oddly, Moore's law gives the illusion of increasing the quality and complexity of our software, particularly in the fields of "former AI." (Former AI is stuff that used to be called AI, but once we figured out how to do it, people stopped
calling AI due to the fundamental theorem of AI.)

For example, in fields like speech recognition, OCR, and visual pattern
recognition, while it would be foolish to say there have been no algorithmic advances in these fields, a sizeable amount of the progress has come because interesting algorithms designed decades ago became computationally workable
do to Moore's law trends.

There is one path to machine intelligence (non-artificial) which does not require any advances in complexity of software. Namely, if we can, in the next 25 years, learn how to reverse engineer the nervous system at the underlying level so that we can build things which act just like neurons, glial cells and their associated systems out of something else besides natural proteins, then we can simply copy the "software" (patterns of interconnections, chemical flows and rules) from protien brains into this new substrate, without understanding it at the higher
level.

To give an analogy, a capable hardware engineer, who knows only about IC design
and digital logic, can build Hydra, the world's best chess player, just
by copying the software into hardware she builds. She need not have any understanding of chess, or indeed anything above the level of the machine instruction set.

However, should this transfer of a human mind into another substrate take place, this person would be unconstrained by many of the rules which bind us as biological beings. In particular, much has been written about how such a person could engage in "recursive self-improvement" using the ability to tinker with their own makeup in experiments, seeking improvements. The then improved person could continue
this process -- doing even better at it, in an explosive increase.

While it is far from certain this will happen in 25 years, it is also foolish to suggest it can't happen in that period of time. While we don't yet have a sufficiently good model of the neuron, nothing we know suggests this is impossible. (Rationalizations
about microtubles notwithstanding.)


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