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More on give us a break..Copyright office to require IE
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:05:20 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com> Date: August 12, 2005 10:51:59 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: lauren () vortex comSubject: Re: [IP] More on give us a break..Copyright office to require IE
Dave, It doesn't really matter whether the issues causing the Copyright Office to suggest "non-support" for now of anything except IE (and apparently never supporting Opera or Safari) relate to major functional operations or cosmetic display issues. Once the decision has been made that only a certain browser or browsers will be officially supported, and that use of any other browsers may cause some level of problems (even if that's restricted to people complaining about pixels the wrong color, as the author below suggested) then it becomes rather likely that the decision will be enforced programmatically at the site. That is, there's a big difference between a site that mentions "Best viewed with Internet Explorer at 800x600", vs. one that diverts you to a page that says, "This site can *only* be viewed with Internet Explorer Version 6 and above -- Update Your Browser! [link to Microsoft browser download]". The former is advisory, the latter is compulsory. (Yes, there are ways to fool Web sites into thinking you're running a browser other than the one you're really on, but most people don't know how to do this.) Of course, none of us really know at this point which of these two scenarios the Copyright Office really has in mind. The wording of the request for comments (at least they did that much, though the deadline and submission requirements are inane) suggests an enforced requirement to use IE (at least for now). If it's actually instead only advisory and the system will work in an acceptable way with other browsers (even if the display is imperfect) then the situation is still ridiculous, but somewhat less onerous. The fundamental problem is that the Copyright Office, in this day and age, should *not* be using back-end software that imposes any sort of major browser restrictions on end-users. After all, we're talking about copyright application submissions, not a high-level graphics package with complex 3-D display requirements. No doubt the Copyright Office and the vendor have a very nice relationship and the software has proven to at least be useful in limited contexts, but the resulting situation is unacceptable for the public. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein lauren () pfir org or lauren () vortex com or lauren () eepi org Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 http://www.pfir.org/lauren Co-Founder, PFIR - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org Co-Founder, EEPI - Electronic Entertainment Policy Initiative - http://www.eepi.org Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com DayThink: http://daythink.vortex.com - - -
Begin forwarded message: From: bill-ip () carpenter ORG (WJCarpenter) Date: August 11, 2005 8:55:52 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: Ip Ip <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: RE: [IP] More on give us a break..Copyright office to require IE bp> This site gives more information on "Why IE" for the Copyright
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When a commercial product says it supports certain browsers, they definitely do get those kinds of support incidents. It's a PITA and not very rewarding for folks who want to do the right thing HTML-wise in honoring substance over form. It's also pretty expensive in support costs for the software vendor.
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