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From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:17:11 -0400
------ Forwarded Message From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-19-0501 () bobf frankston com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:32:12 -0400 To: <dave () farber net>, 'Ip' <ip () v2 listbox com> Cc: 'Declan McCullagh' <declan () well com> Subject: RE: [IP] more on Teacher, student suspended for bypassing school filters [fs] We can take this a step further to the political arena as well. The real complaint from the administrators is that student's should've known what they were doing was wrong. I would call this, in Lakoff terminology, a libcon assumption. You don't need laws when there is an absolute and/or natural right or wrong. I don't mean to say that all push back should be cost-free or that gaming the legal system shouldn't entail risk. One can think of this as a quasi-fifth amendment issue. Violating the policy is sufficient proof of guilt even if the policy itself is awkward attempt to achieve a larger goal. As noted the ban on accessing porn was not violated. The anti-porn ban itself is problematic because it's supposed to achieve a larger goal which is far vaguer and assumes definitions and moral assumptions that are not obviously obvious and often at odds with reality. Science is about testing limits, yet we find ourselves increasingly up against an attitude that sees the purpose of government as enforcing rules rather than creating opportunity. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ip () v2 listbox com [mailto:owner-ip () v2 listbox com] On Behalf Of David Farber Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:11 To: Ip Subject: [IP] more on Teacher, student suspended for bypassing school filters [fs] ------ Forwarded Message From: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:35:45 -0400 To: <dave () farber net> Cc: <Kenneth_Mayer () Dell com>, <coolrad89 () msn com> Subject: Re: [IP] Teacher, student suspended for bypassing school filters [fs] Ken, My quip about the student being admitted was a bit tongue-in-cheek, I admit. Obviously top-tier universities would want to make sure any prospective student meets other admissions standards, and a high school sophomore may not be ready for college anyway. There is, however, a serious point underlying this. Yes, the student violated school rules. But what you miss is that not all high school "policies" make sense, not all high school student administrators are always correct in every way, and not all high school students who "violate policies" deserve our scorn. From what I've read, the student acted in the finest sense of the hacker tradition: he saw a technological restriction that interfered with his ability to get information that he wanted and cleverly bypassed it. At his teacher's request, he made a presentation to his class about the methods he used. He found that the school was blocking his proxy and implemented the appropriate counter-measures. (BTW, the school reviewed the browser caches and found no evidence that the students were using the proxy server to visit porn sites.) The student also seems to be doing the kind of muckracking that should be applauded; he posted a note to his blog in February encouraging his fellow students to submit requests under the state FOIA law. (http://blog247.blogspot.com/2005/02/freedom-of-information.html). I'm sure that didn't endear him to the school administration. By the way, why do you claim that the computers at the school's library are not filtered? Thanks to the federal filtering law, upheld by the Supreme Court, school library computers are now filtered by default. Or do you have any particular knowledge of Lewis and Clark High School that you'd like to share with us? -Declan David Farber wrote:
------ Forwarded Message From: <Kenneth_Mayer () Dell com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:27:49 -0500 To: <dave () farber net> Subject: RE: [IP] Teacher, student suspended for bypassing school filters [fs] So now Declan thinks just because a 16 year old helped thousands bypass school rules he should be let into MIT? He broke the rules, the schools rules and is getting punished, which is justified. This is not infringing on anyones freedom of speech, it is a case of violating a policy. Those kids at any school can go to the library (which has no filters) to do
their
research. This is getting more press than it deserves! Ken Mayer Jr Advanced System Group Dell Server and Storage Department ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as declan () well com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at:
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