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more on more on What if Cat Stevens had flown under a different name?
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 04:57:55 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Steve Bellovin <smb () research att com> Date: September 23, 2004 9:01:06 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Cc: "sbaker () steptoe com" <sbaker () steptoe com>Subject: more on more on What if Cat Stevens had flown under a different name?
Stewart Baker asks a good question: why do so many people (and not just on this list) complain about proactive data gathering (such as CAPPS II) while simultaneously noting the difficulty in disambiguating names without broader context. I think that the answer to that question goes to heart of my unease about CAPPS II and similar efforts. When data is gathered, it *will* be used for other purposes. According to last Sunday's NY Times, in fact, that sort of mission creep was the problem that sunk CAPPS II. (For those who are interested, see http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/politics/19secure.html -- it explains how, according to FOIAed documents, the systems was not going to be used just for protecting flights, but also for finding people wanted for many other sorts of violent crime, and maybe more -- the legitimate recipients of matches include "other federal agencies conducting litigation".) If a capability exists, it *will* be used, often for purposes that would not have been approved when the initial deployment was being considered. This implies that when we hear a proposal, we need to consider the worst cases that it could be used for as well as the very desirable best cases. What is the alternative? I, at least -- and I suspect most of my compatriots who get very nervous about massive databases -- do not object to narrow, specific queries about particular individuals if there is reason to suspect them. This is more or less a direct mirror of the constitutional protections against search and seizure -- an individual's property is more or less sacrosanct unless and until law enforcement can persuade a neutral party that there is probable cause. So -- the name "Yusef Islam" is on a watch list. (According to articles I've seen, passport numbers are also part of the search list; they don't go just by name.) Assuming that the name is there for good reason (a question I'll not discuss now, though news stories have mentioned that he entered the U.S. as recently as May), when you get a hit of that sort it may be appropriate to consult other databases. Note the difference -- there is *cause* to investigate some particular individual. That's not the same as checking every name for no reason at all. (Do we detain deadbeat dads if they try to board an airplane? They're already at risk of having drivers' and professional licenses suspended, in yet another example of mission creep.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as interesting-people () lists elistx com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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