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IP: more on Too much surveillance means too little freedom
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:11:01 -0500
From: "Bob Frankston" <rmfxixB () bobf Frankston com> To: <farber () cis upenn edu>
I remember arriving at SFO (San Francisco Airport) unsure of which plane to take-did I want to fly to Seattle or Boston that night. It was about 9PM so I needed to decide soon and I had open tickets I could use for either one so I didn't have to decide till I walked up to the gate. These days that would mark me as very suspicious or worse. Imagine my having to explain to a security guard as I entered the airport that I didn't know which coast I was flying to and didn't see why it was his business and I did have at least half an hour to decide which coast. I'm still mulling a longer set of 9/11 comments. I do remember the "duck and cover" 1950's in New York. We assumed that the missile would be aimed at Columbus Circle (59th and Broadway). 10 Megatons you might survive, 100 don't bother. It was a time when we saw terrorists everywhere and knew that they did in deed have weapons of mass destruction and the means to deploy them and wouldn't limit themselves to symbolic targets. While many did accept Joe McCarthy's claims (slightly before my awareness), imagine if we had put all our energy into bomb shelters and protection and didn't allow for any risk taking and uncertainty? As an aside, I remember Khrushchev's (USSR leader in the 1950's) son (now a US citizen) talking on C-Span about his father's first visit to the US. As basically a hick from the boondocks (to loosely translate into American metaphors) he was surprised and shocked at the hostile reception he got and the clear message was that he had better prepare to defend himself. The reason I haven't yet written my longer comments is that there are a set of complex issues. The simple point is that it dangerous to try to avoid risk either by fearing engagement with the world outside the US (and thus letting problems fester) or the other extreme, by banning uncertainty and tolerating free speech only as long as it isn't abused. Alas, in email, I have to be explicit and point out that this is meant to be read sarcastically. Note that when I write on the Web I try very hard to avoid accidentally using words like "foreign" and other implicitly US-centric language. The concept of "free speech" is a subtle example since it is very much a US term embodied in the (US) Constitution. In fact, it was added only as an amendment. I personally consider it to be an early form of the Internet in the sense that it shifted the onus of "dealing with it" from the speaker to the listener. Innovation is almost by its nature disruptive and thus likely to fail if permission is required (AKA prior restraint). It's the danger that Larry Lessig points out as people try to make the Internet "safe". Bob Frankston <http://www.Frankston.com>http://www.Frankston.com
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