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RE: Who's liable?
From: Russell Berry <russ () berrex com>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
The wording of our constitution stipulates that a law enforcement agency must produce a PERP. A single individual or individuals that may be PERSONALLY held accountable for the alleged crime. Do NOT think for a moment, even in these times of increased federal jurisdiction that your civil liberties will have become so frail that the FBI (or other entities) may walk in and take your equipment/records/business. Oh, that was the politically correct answer. My real thoughts are: Log everything Expect the feds to rip your life out from under you at any moment Log everything Wear Kevlar Log everything Buy a gas mask Log everything Buy Cipro Log everything Analyze your relationship with every human being you ever come in contact with Log everything Be paranoid Log everything Buy a canary Know that one day it will be demanded that you prove your right to exist Drink lots of water Read between the lines of nonsense You are liable for anything you have the most remote knowledge of Know right from wrong. ---russ On 13-Oct-01 Michael F. Bell wrote:
These are fictional scenarios that I am SURE that other people would like to discuss. Lets say you are a small realty agency, and you provide internet access to your employees and one of your employees hacks into the Whitehouse website from your internal network. You do not have any logging going on from your SOHO firewall and the FBI shows up at your door one day with a warrant to search your computers for evidence of hacking into the Whitehouse website. The FBI searches all 10 computers in your network and comes up without any hard evidence from these 10 machines linking them to the the hack into the Whitehouse website. Your company is not doing any firewall logging and you do not have any public servers that could have been hacked so someone could have remotely launched the attack? All that the FBI has is your publicly NAT'ed firewall address. Who is liable?? What can the FBI do at this point? The above scenario is all fictional from my standpoint. I could imagine that this is someones reality though... Lets change the victim from a Goverment agency to a private one. Lets say that EBAY got hacked and they launched the same sort of investigation with the same findings.. What can be done from a legal /financial standpoint if an attack is detected from your company network and there is no proof on exactly who did it? Can the victims take legal action against you, or is there some sort of protocol from a legal standpoint that hinders this?Michael Bell mike_b () rhinobyte com---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com
Russell Berry Berrex Computer Solutions FireWallZ.Com http://www.berrex.com russ () berrex com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided by the SecurityFocus ARIS analyzer service. For more information on this free incident handling, management and tracking system please see: http://aris.securityfocus.com
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- RE: Who's liable? Russell Berry (Oct 13)
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