Re: climate gate and programming bugs

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

I agree with you about not oil and the vile assholes who sell it. I'm
sure ordinary people everywhere would prefer an affordable solution that
could replace it, but even with massive subsidies the alternatives
aren't competitive. Once they are competitive people will rush to them
and they'll get the benefit of the doubt. 

And remember, a lot (most I guess) of the oil consumed here comes from
here. If we suddenly had an alternative that could displace the oil
regime it would be a good thing in the big picture, but it would be
massively disruptive and a lot of innocent people would be ruined.
That's one reason it's a good thing that this will take a while to
happen.

Larry Seltzer
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larry_seltzer () ziffdavis com 
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Collins [mailto:mcollins () aleae com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:25 PM
To: Larry Seltzer
Cc: Dan Kaminsky; funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs

Depends on what your definition of unaffordable is.  I personally  
don't like the idea of my cash going to fund regimes that are hostile  
to the enlightenment, public agnosticism, and women wearing pants.  I  
mean, even without the whole global warming issue and, ye gods, the  
*stench*.

A Tesla Roadster is the same price as a 911 turbo, although the 911  
has better pickup.   If you want a halfway solution, buy a Volt -  
they'll be affordable, and I figure in another 8 years or so, you  
probably won't even hear the term 'hybrid' anymore, because  
everything'll be hybrid.



On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote:

> Anybody would prefer an affordable Tesla. The problem is that they're
> not, and they won't be any time soon. Do you think the solution is to
> make gasoline-based cars unaffordable as well?
>
> Larry Seltzer
> Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> larry_seltzer () ziffdavis com
> http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Collins [mailto:mcollins () aleae com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:32 PM
> To: Dan Kaminsky
> Cc: Larry Seltzer; funsec
> Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs
>
> But it's so much more *fun* to protect current business models and
> outmoded energy production techniques rather than grab a  brave new
> future, Dan.
>
> Seriously, I don't understand, even apart from the climate change
> issue while people are so happy to keep sending money to the
> custodians of the two shrines  and continue the operation of petroleum
> cracking plants.  Those bastards stink like three graves invading your
> nasal cavity.  I appreciate the sweet pickup of a nice V8 as the next
> man, but I'll happily buy a Tesla when they're affordable.
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Dan Kaminsky wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Larry Seltzer
> > <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> > > > The reality is that for a whole bunch of reasons, a lot of stuff
> > just isn't available.  If you want it, if you want to reimplement
> > it, you get documentation in the form of a paper showing how to
> > achieve what is claimed.  Is the paper enough?  Sometimes it is,
> > yeah.  But always?  Even often?  No, not at all.
> >
> > That's as may be. If we're expected to impose massive taxes and
> > regulations on the economy based on this supposedly settled science
> > we need to expect more in the way of proof.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's a talking point.  Delay, delay, delay, ignore reality when it's
> > inconvenient.
> >
> > The scientific consensus around climate change is *overwhelming*.
> >
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> Mike Collins
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