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Re: Was the ClimateGate Hacker Justified? Join the Debate!
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:26:48 -0500
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:47 EST, Larry Seltzer said:
PS - If you haven't guessed it already, I think that climate science is largely full of crap. Put aside for the minute that the models can't explain why we've had *cooling* for the last 10 years; why would you think that you can look at ice cores and use them to recreate temperatures to within fractions of a degree? You can only prove the accuracy of such methods by comparing them with actual temperatures and, of course, we can't do that. I've had the sense for a long time that these guys know a whole lot less about this stuff than they claim to.
Oh, missed this very good link: http://www.climatedata.info/Proxy/Proxy/icecores.html - the big take-away here is Figure 5 - once you got a fit like that, you can then pretty safely use the CO2 concentration to predict temperature. Then you just get the annual worldwide consumption of fossil fuels, use that to figure out what the CO2 concentration will be in 2050, and from that you can make a damned good guess how warm Greenland and Miami are going to be.
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