Re: The right to bear arms & make salad

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

There has always been a lot of violence and violent crime in the US.
Thanks to the second amendment we have the right to defend ourselves,
which is the point of the amendment.

 

Here's an example just the other day from the town I grew up in:
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008807190395

 

Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larry.seltzer () ziffdavisenterprise com

 

From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:56 PM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

 

The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:

 

http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and-w
eapon/

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of
murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 1.1 per
100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137
homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of
these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the '90s because
we are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the largest
prison population on the planet.

Richard

 

 

From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
To: Imri Goldberg; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

 

Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor
universal surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding must
be the solution, right?

 

What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no freeman
may be debarred the use of arms?

 

The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on the wall
after the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing rights
were fully codified.

 

And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the
right, which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life,
liberty and property, is the basis of all other rights.


 

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        From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
[mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Imri Goldberg
        Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:15 AM
        To: funsec () linuxbox org
        Subject: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad

        For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
        
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
        
        "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain
and sharp with it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long
blades with sharp points help save lives?"
        
        I think it's even more funny when you consider the fact that
it's in the UK.
        
        Cheers
        Imri
        
        (hat tip to Alisa
<http://alisainwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7
%A8%D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99
-%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%94stop-the-world-i-want-to/>  for the link.)
        -- 
        Imri Goldberg
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        www.imri.co.il
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