Re: "Network Neutrality" or "Open Internet"

["Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>]

On 4/15/06, Fergie <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
> This is one of my stronger areas. :-)
>
> In general terms, remember that electrical or optical signalling
> is _clocked_ into 'the network'.
err, what?

> Don't confuse this with packet communications, which -- for all
> intents and purposes -- ride on tp of this, and is basically a
> 'ships in the night' service.
Still, well, so, err, umm.. SO basically I can recieve ~1,536,000 bits
per second, but they dont have to be useful buts (just the IP headers
with no data, a shit-ton of ARP requests, One big packet that says
"give us more money", 1.5 million bits worth of NACK's). I dont have
to get whole packets from google.com, just 1.5 mil bits per second.

 No wait, maybe I dont get it.

> Given these two issues alaone, the concept of 'network inequity'
> becomes one of (basically) 'Who's traffic gets degraded?' or more
> appropriately, 'Who's traffic do I drop first (out of full router
> queues) when my network gets congested?'
Well, if you degrade my traffic below what is on our SLA, then you owe
me money, right?

> Does that make more sense?
Maybe, but I am still confused. I cant buy a 2950 with 24 ports, then
turn around and sell 24x100 mbps pipes, cause the device only has an
internal capability of 800mbps. I could only sell 24x33 mbps pipes...
or can I?


> - ferg
>
> ps. http://www.wiley.com/legacy/compbooks/catalog/24358-2.htm
Hmm, so does that mean you and Geoff published the book that enabled
these guys to limit our packets? Nice one Ferg, thanks a bunch
> ;-)

-JP

> -- "Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com> wrote:
>
> I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around this one,
>
> If you buy a T1 from AT&T, arent they supposed to provide 1.5 mbps to
> you? If google buys an OC48 or a few thousand Dedicated Lambdas, arent
> they supposed to get the bandwidth as well?
>
> Wouldnt adding/removing QoS to the packets violate the ToS? Are they
> still getting the B/W they paid for?
>
> Also, is the degradation of services happening on the Client side, the
> Provider side, or both?
>
> Easily Confused,
>
> -JP
>
>
> --
> "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
>  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
>  fergdawg () netzero net or fergdawg () sbcglobal net
>  ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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