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Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:05:56 +0100
No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the "fuck you" Byron mentioned) isn't fruitful to remedy the situation. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>wrote:
What you said doesn't follow. Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business. The analogy linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous. On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com> wrote:Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old business, if you know what I mean... On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne <byron.sonne () gmail com> wrote:The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline & Fall is this: The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the laws are ignored and ineffective. Laws can't prevent a damn thing, they can only specify remedies. As it is said, "it's only illegal if you get caught". The cat is out of the bag and will never be put back in. There's no way to stop people from 'illegally' copying copyrighted material. If they somehow managed to require and implement tech so that perfect digital copies can't be made (unlikely) then people will simply use a camera to record the video as it plays on the screen. Hey, wait a minute, that sounds just like that screener I downloaded someone taped in Russia! ;) If they manage to require and implement tech so that you can't trade it over the internet (unlikely) then people will simply trade it on private networks or, like we used to do in the old days, via sneakernet. The problem is that in an attempt to control the dissemination of copyrighted material (and people are right, artists do have a right to reap the benefits of their effort) the powers-that-be are stepping over the line and into territory that impacts our ability to communicate in the fashion we choose. It might be fine to try and prevent piracy but in the process of doing so you are trashing the other desires of people that have nothing to do with piracy. I'm sure if the copyright lobby had their way, they'd require us to wear special glasses in order to see our laptop screens, on the assumption that anything not explicitly licensed was assumed to be unlicensed, and thus pirated, which we would be blocked from our field of view... and as a result, some girl/guy who wants to write a simple freeware text editor now has to jump through regulatory hoops and spend money to obtain a special registration that allows their text editor to display to the screen. This is a cheesy example, but I think it makes the point. In the guise of 'protecting artists and businesses' what is happening is that the powers-that-be are requesting (and too often getting) powers that allow them to trample on the general idea of freedom of communications and other things people cherish. As a result, people are inclined to engage in the very behaviours that elicited the laws and crackdowns, quite simply, as a way to raise their middle finger and say "Fuck You". This is when piracy and theft becomes freedom of expression - when it's done in protest. -- http://www.freebyron.org _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
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- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom, (continued)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Laurelai (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Charles Morris (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Byron L. Sonne (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Mike Hale (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 30)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Mike Hale (Jan 30)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 30)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Zach C. (Jan 30)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 30)
- This is when piracy/theft become expression of freedom Byron L. Sonne (Jan 29)
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- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom coderman (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Benjamin Kreuter (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Laurelai (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Julius Kivimäki (Jan 30)