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Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:50:32 +1000
They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'. Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally, thats something wich is also, subject to federal laws though so, in its own country, the provider may have to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT outside of country customers, should not be handed over. isp's here dont do it, and havent, for like 20 yrs, they also do not take down people,issue nor execute other peoples 'takedown orders', there is many reasons for this but basically, they loose money from it. Anyhow, in UK, you maybe right, but outside of there, then, they should have maybe not advertised as anononymous vpn services for everyone and anyone. thats obvious crap we know now. anyhow, cheers, xd On 29 September 2011 22:45, Benji <me () b3nji com> wrote:
Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn provider that was a UK business and was located in the UK, is subject to UK law? On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn < d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com> wrote:Again, I hope this does not fail to send. The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more interesting was the reasoning behind the name - by putting the developers and coders and potential recruits in a channel named "Pure Elite", it was essentially an ego boost for the new guys, made them feel valued, etc, when in fact most were but pawns to be used (IMHO). This co-operation between VPN providers and LEO, while being nothing new - remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed worrying for those of us who are privacy advocates as well as security researchers. On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not presume that you know all there is to know about them. Doing so would be foolish. (Now don't go assuming that I hate you, I bear you bugger all ill-will, etc). Good day. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan org>wrote:Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers might give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to look better and better. On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissedandthinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time... I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, andhopefully itis just, cool. :) cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp take care , xd On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan org>wrote:Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:Hello Laurelai , Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont evenknowwhere, legally, i stand anymore... It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy,in mychannel on efnet, first as i saw it. Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a hugetorrentsite, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by the frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely. This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' andwhatisnt. and thats a bad thing for us all. To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing placeslikeSony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics,whominturn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i thinkthisisthe dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever wasapartofit, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs. Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but notalonebybeing in channels but that network, is one federal hideout now..and,thatisevery channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had withoutrealising,askeda friend, to code for them. This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the modulerunningnow.So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it :slookatwhat they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemonand abunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked outwithwords.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this ismutualLaurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expectthesame.Respect for respect dear. I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am notholding9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over oneidiotickid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i wantthat,to be laid rest now.. please. And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail and hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way,wetherthat be by showing people email interaction with requester's ofpeoplesinfo, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard forVPN, Idonot use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactlythat,withoutpolitical interaction and grey areas about who and what is now legalandnotlegal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites. ok, thats plenty, cheers! xd On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org> wrote:On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote: Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma. On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l () gmail com> wrote:yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com>wrote:#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing...whydoppltag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks) xd On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com> wrote:Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... Butseeing asitisan international investigation many people have been bendingoverbackwardsto assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN'sofchoiceforthem it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elitechannelonthatIRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part ofLulzSec".TL;DR, this is nothing new. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan orgwrote:And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader () gmail com>wrote:On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com>wrote:http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.htmlThough HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looksasifthey facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and theFBIhavenojurisdiction in the UK. Jeff _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/From my understanding they used the channel as a possiblerecruitmentground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , ifinditdisturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channeltantamountto being a part of lulzsec. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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