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Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

From: Benji <me () b3nji com>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:53:03 +0100
Yes they do. If you buy a server in America for example, even if you are
located in Russia, they are required by federal law to hand over your
details wherever you may reside. I dont know where you've obtained this idea
that they can't.

Just because something is advertised as 'anonymous' doesnt mean it's 'so
anonymous you can break the law' and anyone using a EU/US-related country to
do this is either stupid or naive.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:50 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t () gmail com> wrote:


They advertised as anonymous VPN to 'everyone'.
Then, that would mean, especially NOT locally, thats something wich is
also, subject to federal laws though so, in its own country, the provider
may have to, nomatter whats advertised, BUT outside of country customers,
should not be handed over.
isp's here dont do it, and havent, for like 20 yrs, they also do not take
down people,issue nor execute other peoples 'takedown orders', there is many
reasons for this but basically, they loose money from it.
Anyhow, in UK, you maybe right, but outside of there, then, they should
have maybe not advertised as anononymous vpn services for everyone and
anyone. thats obvious crap we know now.
anyhow, cheers,
xd



On 29 September 2011 22:45, Benji <me () b3nji com> wrote:


Im sorry, why is it 'worrying' that a vpn provider that was a UK business
and was located in the UK, is subject to UK law?



On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Darren Martyn <
d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com> wrote:


Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to
recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some talented
programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more interesting
was the reasoning behind the name - by putting the developers and coders and
potential recruits in a channel named "Pure Elite", it was essentially an
ego boost for the new guys, made them feel valued, etc, when in fact most
were but pawns to be used (IMHO).

This co-operation between VPN providers and LEO, while being nothing new
- remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed worrying for those of us who
are privacy advocates as well as security researchers.

On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not presume that you know all there
is to know about them. Doing so would be foolish. (Now don't go assuming
that I hate you, I bear you bugger all ill-will, etc).
Good day.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan org>wrote:


Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers might
give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to look better and
better.
On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:

never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed

and

thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time...
I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and

hopefully it

is just, cool.
:)
cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp
take care ,
xd


On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan org>

wrote:



Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:

Hello Laurelai ,
Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even

know

where, legally, i stand anymore...
It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela.
I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just
happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy,

in my

channel on efnet, first as i saw it.

Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a huge

torrent

site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by

the

frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely.

This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' and

what

isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all.
To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing

places like

Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics,

whom

in

turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i think

this

is

the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever was

apart

of

it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs.
Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not

alone

by

being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout

now..and, that

is

every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module
m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without

realising,

asked

a friend, to code for them.
This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the module

running

now.

So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it

:s look

at

what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemon

and a

bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked out

with

words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this is

mutual

Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expect

the

same.

Respect for respect dear.
I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am not

holding

9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over one

idiotic

kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i

want

that,

to be laid rest now.. please.
And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail

and

hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way,

wether

that be by showing people email interaction with requester's of

peoples

info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard for

VPN, I

do

not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly

that,without

political interaction and grey areas about who and what is now

legal and

not

legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites.
ok, thats plenty, cheers!
xd


On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org>

wrote:



On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote:

Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l () gmail com>

wrote:

yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com>

wrote:

#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing...

why

do

ppl

tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks)
xd


On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn
<d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com> wrote:


Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But

seeing as

it

is

an international investigation many people have been bending

over

backwards

to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's

of

choice

for

them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite

channel

on

that

IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part

of

LulzSec".


TL;DR, this is nothing new.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <

laurelai () oneechan org



wrote:


And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec

On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <

noloader () gmail com>

wrote:

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com



wrote:








http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html

Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it

looks as

if

they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the

FBI

have

no

jurisdiction in the UK.

Jeff

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From my understanding they used the channel as a possible

recruitment

ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , i

find

it

disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channel

tantamount

to being a part of lulzsec.

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