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Re: Snail mail vs. Email
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:23:53 -0400
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org> wrote:
On 10/12/2011 1:26 PM, Daniel Sichel wrote:Well there is no push to make snail-mail encrypted and lets face itmostpeoples mailboxes don't have any sort of locking mechanisms and is available to anyone with two hands and the malicious intent to steal someones mail however the US Gov needs a warrant to intercept your physical mail, why does it being online somehow make it different?What makes it different (and this is just me speaking, I don't really know how others feel or what current political thinking is on this)is that the internet represents a new, unregulated medium that can redefine some traditional standards and ways of doing Things in order to do them better. For me, as a conservative, less regulation an more personal responsibility is better. I will say something probably a bit unusual, especially these days, reasonable men may differ on this view. A very credible argument for regulation can be made, I just keep coming back the reality that virtually every regulated medium of communication becomes a point of control. To shamelessly steal and warp a phrase, "The power to regulate is the power to destroy." I would prefer to be responsible for my own privacy and pit my skills against the Feds at keeping it that way rather than "trust" them not to abuse their access to my "protected" email. I work in the phone business and we have CALEA requirements which supposedly allows law enforcement to carry out their sanctioned wire taps anonymously to protect suspects' right to privacy. I may be wrong, but it seems pretty abusable (if that's a word) to me. I do NOT want that on the Internet.Right and the way to stop that is to require a warrant and a paper trail, if someone serves a warrant at your home you get a copy of the warrant and you can ensure they only get exactly what the warrant states and *nothing more* these warantless email seizures have no such limits or accountability.they can literally come in and take copies of all your emails and you will never know about it, and they can do it for practically any reason, if you encrypt your email they will just demand they keys/passwords with a court order and you can't really fight it without spending time in jail, the US Gov simply doesn't have enough accountability or transparency, that's why we *need* more legal protections, if cops kick down your door without a warrant then anything they find rightfully cant be used as evidence, the same thing should apply to electronic communications.
In the US, we have the legal protections (on paper). The laws are not enforced; the checks are balances are lacking; and there is no accountatbility for public officials. There's not a lot we can do when a public official disregards the law, and subsequently goes unpunished. The ACLU and EFF do a great job, but until public officials spend time imprisoned for their actions, nothing will change. Jeff _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Current thread:
- Snail mail vs. Email Daniel Sichel (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Laurelai (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Jeffrey Walton (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Laurelai (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Jeffrey Walton (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Kurt Buff (Oct 13)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Jeffrey Walton (Oct 14)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Jeffrey Walton (Oct 12)
- Re: Snail mail vs. Email Laurelai (Oct 12)