Re: Snail mail vs. Email

[Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com>]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org> wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Laurelai<laurelai () oneechan org>  wrote:
> > > On 10/12/2011 1:26 PM, Daniel Sichel wrote:
> > > > > [SNIP]
> > > >
> > > > I work in the phone business and we have CALEA requirements which
> > > > supposedly allows law enforcement to carry out their sanctioned wire
> > > > taps anonymously to protect suspects' right to privacy. I may be wrong,
> > > > but it seems pretty abusable (if that's a word) to me.  I do NOT want
> > > > that on the Internet.
> > >
> > > Right and the way to stop that is to require a warrant and a paper
> > > trail, if someone serves a warrant at your home you get a copy of the
> > > warrant and you can ensure they only get exactly what the warrant states
> > > and *nothing more* these warantless email seizures have no such limits
> > > or accountability.they can literally come in and take copies of all your
> > > emails and you will never know about it, and they can do it for
> > > practically any reason, if you encrypt your email they will just demand
> > > they keys/passwords with a court order and you can't really fight it
> > > without spending time in jail, the US Gov simply doesn't have enough
> > > accountability or transparency, that's why we *need* more legal
> > > protections, if cops kick down your door without a warrant then anything
> > > they find rightfully cant be used as evidence, the same thing should
> > > apply to electronic communications.
> >
> > In the US, we have the legal protections (on paper). The laws are not
> > enforced; the checks are balances are lacking; and there is no
> > accountatbility for public officials.
> >
> > There's not a lot we can do when a public official disregards the law,
> > and subsequently goes unpunished. The ACLU and EFF do a great job, but
> > until public officials spend time imprisoned for their actions,
> > nothing will change.
>
> That is a good point Jeff, all the more reason to push for change and
> reform.
Sparta, as one of the first democracies, had it right. They put the
public officials on trial when their term expired because they knew
what Class A fuck-ups they were. Its funny how that lesson was lost to
history.

Jeff

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