Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default

[xD 0x41 <secn3t () gmail com>]

Ok, what happens then if we have a bug in sudo binary, and the box has
both su and sudo binarys available... again, ill use sudo -g bug as
example..... why are both needed, why not make one secure method to
have sudoers... this is one area on linux i never have liked.


On 20 November 2011 06:44,  <james () zero-internet org uk> wrote:
> Effective user id as a short answer; compare sudo whoami and su - whoami
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> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:47
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> What is the security differential between su and sudo bash?
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> On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:15 AM, james () zero-internet org uk wrote:
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> > I'll second that; the isp I work at has a sizeable ubuntu customer base and these are customers who have made an 
> > informed decision.
> >
> > Now; let's consider ubuntu's inherited security from debian such as configuring a 'mortal account' (admittedly can 
> > be ignored in the preseed) and then the lack of perms on su; must use sudo.
> >
> > This is a distro that is newbie friendly but is not designed specifically for them.
> >
> > Unfortunately, though, you make a distro with simplified tasks (printer installation a fantastic example) and 
> > people, especially long term linuxers- though I ought to be included I guess, remember back all too easily to when 
> > everything was an uphill struggle: "what do you mean I don't have to compile this as a flipping module? That's not 
> > freedom!" Being all too familiar.
> >
> > Just my tuppence worth anyway.
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:04:46
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> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default
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