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Re: Introducing TGP...
From: "Thor (Hammer Of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:52:12 -0700
You don't think I considered it? Really? You think that I would go through the trouble of designing and implenting a standards based encrytion application without considering that it could be cracked? You are incorrect. I certainly considered it. I just know that when brute forcing AES256 becomes feasible, a scan of mynpssport will be the last thing on anyone mind. How does this differ from SSL, and why do you think I would have to be "live on the wire" to crack it? If your entire argument is "it can be cracked at some point" then you argue against *any* type of encrytion. Postulative statements in the obvious are a waste of people's time. T On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:23 AM, lsi <stuart () cyberdelix net> wrote:
On 14 Jun 2010 at 11:51, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:Ancient crypto? You really have no effing clue, do you?Whatever you use today, it will be ancient in 5 years.PGP came out when? 1991. Will be a quarter century old in 5 years.DES is the first example I can think of. Folks did believe in that. Pity it's crackable. Pity even more those who believed in it, then posted their passport encrypted with it, to a security list...Amazingly enough, they're all pretty much still going strong - mostlySo you mean that some of them aren't going strong, then? Did they get cracked, by any chance? Did I mention DES yet?because the crypto field moves pretty damned slowly. The general philosophy in crypto isn't "It will be ancient in 5 years", it's "we won't even trust it for live deployment until good people have bashed it for a decade".Good people will find flaws. However they cannot stop brute-forcing, which is viable in some circumstances, and as time passes this viability increases. This increase is not the same as Moore's Law, if you have a parallel platform you are not limited by linear growth in CPU power, you just add more CPUs. As it happens parallel platforms are great for brute-forcing, did I mention DES, which was cracked by a machine with 1856 processors?Even if nobody finds a weakness in the algorithm you used, 5 years from now I will probably have enough spare CPU to brute-force it using my mobile phone....Moore's Law doesn't move *that* fast.I was joking (but only half-joking).And what good drugs are you on that you think a cell phone processor 5 years from now will have the CPU power that current moby-cluster supercomputers have?I'm not saying that, I'm saying that in 5 years, the currently infeasible will be feasible. No, I don't think that's a surprise either, but I don't think Tim has considered it. Stu --- Stuart Udall stuart at () cyberdelix dot net - http://www.cyberdelix.net/ --- * Origin: lsi: revolution through evolution (192:168/0.2) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: **SPAM** Introducing TGP... lsi (Jun 13)
- Re: **SPAM** Introducing TGP... Thor (Hammer of God) (Jun 13)
- Re: Introducing TGP... lsi (Jun 14)
- Re: Introducing TGP... Christian Sciberras (Jun 14)
- Re: Introducing TGP... Thor (Hammer of God) (Jun 14)
- Re: Introducing TGP... lsi (Jun 14)
- Re: Introducing TGP... Thor (Hammer Of God) (Jun 14)
- Re: Introducing TGP... Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 14)
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