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Re: can someone please try and explain to me....
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:49:02 -0400
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:12:01 EDT, T Biehn said:
At first I was confused that a whitehat was decrying fear-mongering. Then I realized; Whitehats love fear mongering but with some finesse, lest anyone become fearful enough to actually create/implement secure software/systems.
I hope you realize that a fair number of whitehats actually *do* want people to get fearful enough to actually create secure stuff, because the more secure deployable stuff that's out there, the less time we have to spend on security. A lot of us have more job responsibilities than just security, and for us, it's a lot more gratifying to spend a day doing something that enables a user to get more done, than spending a day doing things that usually result in a user being able to get *less* done. Quite frankly, if every computer system suddenly became secure, I'd not be out of a job. There would still be a quarter acre of supercomputers and servers and petabyte-scale disk systems across the hall, in need of all the other things a sysadmin needs to do besides just security. And most of those are more *fun* than security, too. Besides, I can get more bragging rights out of "I helped build the third fastest supercomputer in the world" than I can from "the third most secure computer". :)
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