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Re: Enough's enough...
From: Adam Jones <ajones1 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:53:19 -0800
On 11/14/05, James Eaton-Lee <james.mailing () gmail com> wrote:
On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 01:02 +0000, n3td3v wrote:Yet another fuckwit basing their opinion on someone they don't know. If it wasn't for me you wouldn't have an internet to sent your packets on right now. You take people at face value instead of getting to know them first.Oh no, guys! He's following through on his threats and taking the internet down, one page at a time! By tomorrow there'll be nothing left! "The web site you are trying to access has exceeded its allocated data transfer. Visit our help area for more information." (http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v/home/hackerstoday.html) (Quick, to the batcave, Robin - better get your 'corporate backing' at yahoo to up your geocities bandwidth allowance!)Read my research paper on Hackers Today and you might learn something.I tried, but I can't - where would I buy a printed copy from?
That's ok, here is a quick synopsis/review of it for you: The paper "Hackers Today" discusses the nature of "current-generation" hackers. It details the supposed methods and motivations of this group as portrayed by someone who seems to desperately seek inclusion. In it hackers are portrayed as elite internet cowboys, mostly working alone and funded through illicit gains from their hacking, phishing, and corporate espionage endeavors. The paper seems to lack the flow and structure of other similar works, from which it obviously lifts all of its ideas. The tone and language of that paper varies in the level of technical reference, but is generally seems to appeal more towards a PHB than anyone who would want real information. From the negative classification of "security experts" who are evidently differentiated from real hackers by the fact that they take "their opinions from books and websites they've read" as opposed to hackers that "grew up infront of computers due to social problems in life" some rather obvious statements about the writer can probably be inferred. Taken as a whole "Hackers Today" fails to provide any real level of useful resource. Its use of unreferenced generalizations and stereotypes ensures that it can not be taken on any level of technical merit. The lack of a simple organization and structure ensure that it is not useful as a subject overview for the less technically-minded. Hopefully that helped you James, and at least with this you can avoid wasting the fifteen minutes it would take to sort through the poor structure to find what is being said here. You'd think someone who "use(s) computers as an escape from real life troubles that affect them" would know a little bit more about writing a formal paper. To n3td3v: I am sure that you will find something at fault with the text, grammar, or structure of my email. It is an unqualified but probably safe statistic that 1/2 of all criticisms of spelling or grammar posted on the internet will contain similar errors. The point is that if you are going to take the time to write a paper, then publish it, and ask people to read it, you should be sure to get everything about it right. Had you described what was written as a collection of notes and thoughts it would be read as such, but what you posted fails as both research and a paper. But that is not what you are really at here, is it? -Adam _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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