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Re: complaints about the governemnt spying!
From: "Bob Radvanovsky" <rsradvan () unixworks net>
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:22:54 -0600
See comments below. -rad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Horsfall" <dave () horsfall org> To: "Full Disclosure List" <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] complaints about the governemnt spying!
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Stan Bubrouski wrote:"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759).That's actually a Benjamin Franklin quote, which is worded about 1000 different ways depending on the source.The above is close; the main points are "essential liberty" and "a little temporary safety".
In your example case of aphorisms, you are correct. One is from over 200 years ago, the other less than 40.
In the meantime, perhaps some, umm, US patriot could tell me who authored these particular aphorisms: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
This was quoted from General Hummel (actor Ed Harris) from the movie, "The Rock", and was a paraphrased quote from Thomas Jefferson (http://www.monticello.org/reports/quotes/liberty.html)
"The Tree of Islam has to be watered with the blood of martyrs."
This was quoted from the Ayatollah Khomeini in the late 70's/early 80's, probably just before the uprising within Iran.
I'm having trouble seeing the difference. -- Dave, who is not pro-US, so therefore has to be anti-US, according to
Shrub
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- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying!, (continued)
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- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Dave Horsfall (Dec 30)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Dave Horsfall (Dec 30)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Bob Radvanovsky (Dec 30)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Steve Kudlak (Dec 31)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Paul Schmehl (Dec 30)
- Re: complaints about the governemnt spying! Bob Radvanovsky (Dec 30)