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Re: Wireless ISPs


From: D B <geggam692000 () yahoo com>
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Brian 

Sit down sometime inside a wireless ISPs area and run
kismet. You can see someone connect to a service via
SSL, then immediately after they purchase something
they check the email. Guess what ? the Credit card #
and address are in that email.

Doesn't take some 15 year veteran of the internet to
see how this is a bad thing. 

Go flame some newb who has no brain.

Dan Becker

--- Brian Toovey <btoovey () igxglobal com> wrote:
Dan,

Your post is troubling, if not confusing -

You are talking about two seperate issues - email
confirmations with companies that you buy goods and
services from online and wireless data transmission.
 Most wireless "computer equipment" that is sold now
by default comes with some kind of encryption,
completely hackable but "encrypted" - so it becomes
the end user's responsibility to use the proper
equipment / software to protect yourself.

The other issue, automatic replies with sensitive
data, are best directed to the customer service
department of the company in transgression.

Dan, the internet is an unsafe place for sensitive
data.  I would suggest some study in different
encryption methodlogies to educate yourself. 
Education leads to positive, well thought out data
communication, which leads to peace of mind.

Regards,
Brian

On May 11, 2004 02:33 PM, D B
<geggam692000 () yahoo com> wrote:

I'm not real sure how to post this, nor am I sure
of
the scope. I am still learning about computers.


All transactions done via secure websites are
secure,
however the auto mailing feature to confirm orders
sometimes contains sensitive data. When the
customer
is on a wireless connection, be it ISP or home LAN
that data is broadcasted in the clear for anyone
within range to eavesdrop. A wired internet
connection
limits the number of people who have access to
this
data simply by the nature of the internet putting
it
within acceptable risk.

It is legal according to US law to eavesdrop on
wireless connections. 



http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/wiretap2510_2522.htm

The only solutions I can offer are one of two
things. 

1. Quit sending auto confirmations with sensitive
data

2. Encrypt all wireless transmissions at least
making
someone who gains access to this data
prosecutable. 

Please direct all flames to /dev/null

Dan Becker


    
            
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