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Re: A rather newbie question
From: David Hane <dlhane () sbcglobal net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:04:08 -0700
On Monday 03 May 2004 12:43, Harlan Carvey wrote:
While I think you have a point I also think Ethan has one too. It is important to remember that users are generally clueless and/or unconcerned with security. Of course I'm grossly generalizing but I think you get my point.Yes, I can agree with that...I do get the point. But who are the users? Say you're an admin at a law firm...if the users are supposed to be security-conscious (face it, a great many admins lack even the most rudimentary security awareness), then shouldn't the admins be required to have a law degree, also? How about a hospital...shouldn't each admin then have to have a medical degree?
God I hope not. I don't want a PhD in genetics. Let my bosses play god. I'll just tech support god. Generally though, you are expected to have some expertise in the area that your employer specializes. That's been my experience at least. I would have never gotten this job had I not had experience in a biological laboratory environment. And any jobs I do see for law firms, accounting firms, and medical firms all require previous experience in those areas. But they'll expect to let everyone and their brother (sometimes literally) use the systems.
I agree that harmless joking is fine...but I've seen instances in which that harmless joking became part of the admin's vocabulary, even in front of those same users.
OUCH! Now that's just unprofessional and very bad form. I do admit to having been around quite a few "IT Nazis". I don't even like those guys. Cheers _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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