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Re: Re: Cisco's stolen code


From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:33:30 -0400

On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:11:04 EDT, Glenn_Everhart () bankone com  said:
Possession of the code does not prove one has copied it though.
If someone posts it on usenet, he is copying it to numerous servers,
but the recipient is certainly not acting as the copying agent. Similar
if someone who has the code does ftp send to drop copies on someone
else's server: the person who receives such a copy is not the one who
performed the copy action.

Actually, the recipient *is* also liable.  For that matter, as the law stood
before the DMCA was passed, the *ISP* was liable too. That's the specific
reason why the "ISP Safe Harbor" provision of the DMCA exists - it basically
boils down to "the ISP is not liable for their user's actions *if* they do
something about it when notified of an infringement".

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html

That whole section was specifically written so the ISP can't be sued down to
their skivvies because their Usenet server happened to have a copy of infringing
material on it.

That's why the RIAA and MPAA send '512 Takedown' orders to ISPs - otherwise
they'd be suing the ISP *and* the user.....

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