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RE: Email legislation does not exist
From: "Bill Royds" <full-disclosure () royds net>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:01:12 -0500
Interestingly, the regular postal service started as a collection of private couriers carrying mail using private stagecoaches. One great advance of the 19th century was to create the Royal Mail in England which guaranteed delivery to all for a minimal cost. Part of the agreement was the idea that mail had legal status and there was an enforceable contract for delivery. The postage stamp was invented so that the sender would be able to make an easy contract. He had paid for delivery so he should be guaranteed delivery. Perhaps sender-pay is an idea whose time has come on the Internet. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Thor Larholm Sent: March 4, 2004 2:11 PM To: 'Mike Barushok' Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com; seclegal () lists jscript dk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Email legislation does not exist
From: Mike Barushok [mailto:mikehome () kcisp net] Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Then there is the 'rejection' problem. If the mail is not accepted, laws prohibit silently discarding it.
I don't mean to be rude, but what laws are you referring to? The internet is a collection of private networks running on private property. What law dictates that I am forced to accept any email, or any single packet of any kind, on my machine? It's an old saying, but it rings true: My network, my machine, my rules. Though perhaps a bit simply put, Doc Searls and David Weinberger highlights this same issue on http://www.worldofends.com/. Do we really want email to be legislated as regular postal services are? If so, should we not then be prohibited to run non-approved email servers? Doesn't the concept of email legislation itself oppose the basic structure of the Internet, by imposing legislation on private property? We legislate other private property such as guns based on their inherent danger, should we assume that machines connected to the Internet are by definition insecure and regulate them? (I have CC'ed the SecLegal mailing list) Regards Thor Larholm Senior Security Researcher PivX Solutions 24 Corporate Plaza #180 Newport Beach, CA 92660 http://www.pivx.com thor () pivx com Phone: +1 (949) 231-8496 PGP: 0x5A276569 6BB1 B77F CB62 0D3D 5A82 C65D E1A4 157C 5A27 6569 PivX defines "Proactive Threat Mitigation". Get a FREE Beta Version of Qwik-Fix <http://www.qwik-fix.net> _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky, (continued)
- Re: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Rodrigo Barbosa (Mar 04)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Sean Crawford (Mar 04)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Nick FitzGerald (Mar 04)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Mike Barushok (Mar 06)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Larry Seltzer (Mar 07)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Jay Sulzberger (Mar 07)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Larry Seltzer (Mar 07)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Mike Barushok (Mar 07)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Mike Barushok (Mar 06)
- Email legislation does not exist Thor Larholm (Mar 04)
- RE: Email legislation does not exist Bill Royds (Mar 04)
- RE: Email legislation does not exist Ron DuFresne (Mar 05)
- Re: Email legislation does not exist Oliver Schneider (Mar 04)
- Re: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 04)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Larry Seltzer (Mar 03)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Nick FitzGerald (Mar 03)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Nick FitzGerald (Mar 03)
- RE: Backdoor not recognized by Kaspersky Larry Seltzer (Mar 04)