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RE: Flawed arguments (Was all that other crap about PFW day)
From: "Erik van Straten" <emvs.fd.3FB4D11C () cpo tn tudelft nl>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:04:59 +0100
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:38:49 -0600 Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Friday, January 16, 2004 4:14 AM +0100 Erik van Straten <emvs.fd.3FB4D11C () cpo tn tudelft nl> wrote:
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Nope. It translates to not needing simple PFW's -for ingress traffic- if there are no listening ports. Flaws shouldn't have been there in the first place, and any found should be fixed ASAP%001.Well, hell, let's ban iptables, ipfw, pf, ipchains, et. al. from "workstation" installs of *nix. After all, *nix is secure out of the box, right? And PFW's just give people a false sense of security anyway, right?
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With ABS you can drive much closer to the car in front of you. With AV and a PFW people tend to believe it is safe to run any exe (or hta). Marketing helps making people believe this.I have to agree with you here. It's been made obvious to me by the posts today in this thread.
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- UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] http-equiv () excite com (Jan 14)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Erik van Straten (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Mary Landesman (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Ron DuFresne (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Ron DuFresne (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Kenton Smith (Jan 15)
- RE: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Chris Harrington (Jan 15)
- RE: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Erik van Straten (Jan 15)
- RE: Flawed arguments (Was all that other crap about PFW day) Paul Schmehl (Jan 15)
- RE: Flawed arguments (Was all that other crap about PFW day) Erik van Straten (Jan 16)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Mary Landesman (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Erik van Straten (Jan 15)
- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Mary Landesman (Jan 15)
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- Re: UTTER HORSESHIT: [was January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause] Mary Landesman (Jan 15)
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