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RE: Re: Re: GAYER THAN AIDS ADVISORY #01: IE 5 remote code execution
From: "Shawn K. Hall \(RA/Security\)" <Security () ReliableAnswers com>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:02:12 -0500
Hi Gabriel,
Software bugs can cause death, and have before, both on the small scale, and the large scale.This is outrageous FUD. Web browsers are not used in medical appliances.
'Life-and-death' isn't just about medical appliances. The power outage last year in the north-east USA which struck eight states and part of canada over the course of several days was exarcebated by a software bug: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/02/13/blackout.ap/ NEW YORK (AP) -- A programming error has been identified as the cause of alarm failures that might have contributed to the scope of last summer's Northeast blackout, industry officials said Thursday. I have no doubt that the traffic lights alone going out would have caused at least one person to die - and I personally saw two (rather bad) car accidents only a block away from my house minutes after the power went out. I doubt those were the only ones. It *does* happen. It *can* cause loss of life. Not having power during the summer heat is definitely capable of loss of life, especially for the very young and elderly, who rely on air conditioning and other 'home' power devices to survive their environments. Granted, this thread was initially about an IE exploit, and I highly doubt IE was in any way involved in this, but my point (and the one you responded to) was that software errors don't cause loss of life. They can, do, and they are rarely held accountable. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://ReliableAnswers.com/ '// ======================================================== "Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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