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Re: Blocking Music Sharing.
From: <srenna () vdbmusic com>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:43:23 -0400
The company I was at before this was ridiculous, as bad as it was for you. The company had a massive MP3 server and he basically had me cut off access to it to everyone except for him...i should call the RIAA on his ass... don't waste your time trying to enforce this man, you're not liable for anything as you're an agent of the company, so don't stress it. On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:27:07 -0500 "Rick Kingslan" <rkingsla () cox net> wrote:
"Bottom line is if management won't back the admin's attempts to stop things like this from the office, and the admin can't (for whatever reason) prevent it from a technical level, then the admin has no place in taking upon themself to embarrass or discipline employees. There's no place for BOFH in today's corporate environment (IMHO at least) and things like this are unfortunately what gives seed to many admin types I've either fired or wanted to choke to death in the past. Let management enforce the AUP in a professional manner, taking the issue seriously or not at all." In my current situation - I can't enforce crap because the biggest offender is one of the VP's. Seriously. Currently, my hope is that he's d/ling enough to catch the attention of the RIAA. With any luck, he'll be served and jailed in a week or so.... ;o) Honestly, you make good points - and you are clearly correct. Trying to enforce policy that is either not communicated, or badly done - is stupid and ill advised. However, if the policy IS communicated, sometimes you only have to make an example of one or two offenders - with your actions strongly backed by Executive Management. Typically, if the rest of the peasants see someone strung up out in the main courtyard or the main lobby - they get the point. I'm really into good examples. AUP works - examples _with_ an AUP works better. -rtk -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Jonathan A. Zdziarski Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:33 PM To: Ron DuFresne Cc: Cael Abal; full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Blocking Music Sharing.I heartily disagree -- if an offense is consideredserious enough towarrant being prohibited in an org's Acceptable UsePolicy thenthere should be real punishment involved. If anoffense isn't a bigdeal, then the AUP should be rewritten.My belief is that proactive prevention should always be tried before even getting to this level; there should be differing levels of severity in punishment for those who violate the AUP, but I see no reason not to block the common ports as a first attempt. Nearly every company has a corporate firewall (or at least should). Many P2P sharing tools are on obscure ports that could easily be blocked. Even a half-baked firewall policy ought to be able to prevent sharing.A Wall of Shame just sets a bad precedent -- a usercould argue thatthe rules were ambiguous. "What? You can't fire mefor runningthat root exploit! None of the other rules were everseriouslyenforced, our policy is a joke!"Exposing employees instead of dealing with situations privately is always bad politics, and can be an easy way to kill morale (not to mention bring on a lawsuit by an embarrassed employee). Enforce the AUP in a private, civil manner. Bottom line is if management won't back the admin's attempts to stop things like this from the office, and the admin can't (for whatever reason) prevent it from a technical level, then the admin has no place in taking upon themself to embarrass or discipline employees. There's no place for BOFH in today's corporate environment (IMHO at least) and things like this are unfortunately what gives seed to many admin types I've either fired or wanted to choke to death in the past. Let management enforce the AUP in a professional manner, taking the issue seriously or not at all. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: Blocking Music Sharing. Ron DuFresne (Sep 15)
- Re: Blocking Music Sharing. Cael Abal (Sep 15)
- Re: Blocking Music Sharing. Ron DuFresne (Sep 16)
- Re: Blocking Music Sharing. Jonathan A. Zdziarski (Sep 16)
- RE: Blocking Music Sharing. Rick Kingslan (Sep 16)
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