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Re: JAP Wins Court Victory
From: "David Howe" <DaveHowe () cmn sharp-uk co uk>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:34:24 +0100
That is not the point. They were required by law to do this secretly. Actually, publishing the source code that revealed the changes was already bending the law. So what you are asking for is that they break the law and give up their careers.
To be honest? I don't know. I could hope that if I were in their position, I would put my public pledges of anonymity above expediency, but would probably have caved too (just like their CEO handed over the data rather than have the police trash his home and office to try and find it, despite knowing it was almost certainly encrypted) if putting food on the table for my family required it. The other alternative that occurs to me was to add code to block access to those sites in addition to the "spy" code - thus guaranteeing that code wouldn't return any results (and attracting instant interest as to *why* sites were being blocked) I haven't seen the order, but unless it didn't specify non-blocking that would presumably have corresponded to the letter of the law, if not its spirit (and again, given the police used the threat of trashing the offices and homes of everyone involved to obtain the data, this is probably also too dangerous a move if your family is depending on the income)
Yes, I agree that they have compromised trust in their service. But anyhow, technically the collection of data records only works when all MIXs in the chain use the changed code. So the police has to go to every single operator.
Indeed so - this is how the email remailler network operates
At the moment, a JAP chain consists of only two MIXs. This will hopefully change in the future. So if you want to help, set up a MIX in a country where German police has no jurisdiction.
unfortunately, I am in the UK - where police practices make the german situation seem fair and balanced..... _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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