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Re: JAP Wins Court Victory
From: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <ggilliss () netpublishing com>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:36:24 -0700
Privacy is an important adjunct to security, IMHO. Perhaps the JAP folks did not handle their police issues as well as they should have. However let us not abandon them or the project yet, unless we can find more compelling and better solutions to the problem of the powers that be improperly intruding onto the use of the online community. Terrorists would not make bombs if they were satisfied with their condition. I suspect that JAP and other privacy services would not have been widely deployed if there were not the threat of snooping and privacy invasion. I vote that we stay focused on the problem, and not bash the solution (well not *too* much at least). G On or about 2003.10.20 08:48:24 +0000, Cael Abal (lists () onryou com) said:
This doesn't change how the JAP folks behaved -- the correct course of action would have been for them to have notified their users of the request to backdoor JAP immediately. I fear the JAP people have lost a fair amount of credibility and it'll take more than a, "JAP is okay again! Trust us!" before they regain the world's trust. Please lets not rehash the backdoor issue. As for the idea that the existence of a court order somehow proves the robustness of a certain piece of code, well, that's just silly. Cops aren't software developers, they're cops. Court orders are their tools of choice, not disassemblers.
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- JAP Wins Court Victory Tarapia Tapioco (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Cael Abal (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Gregory A. Gilliss (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Cael Abal (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Gregory A. Gilliss (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 20)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory David Howe (Oct 21)
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- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory David Howe (Oct 21)
- Re: JAP Wins Court Victory Cael Abal (Oct 20)