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RE: JAP back doored
From: "Drew Copley" <dcopley () eeye com>
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:09:29 -0700
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-----Original Message----- From: Jeremiah Cornelius [mailto:jeremiah () nur net] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:52 PM To: Drew Copley; 'Goncalo Costa' Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] JAP back dooredAs for the US government, this is utterly unimportant. I was playingaround even to begin to mess > with that. Yes, I am unaware of the US actively trojanizing applications by forcing the developers > to do this. So are you. This is illegal. Legality has /never/ stopped th U.S. or any other government.
I did not imply that it would. But, rather, I was noting that it is important to have laws to prevent these kinds of things. Without the law there is no condemnation. I do not believe this was a hidden implication in what I was saying, as otherwise this statement would have been entirely out of context.
It was illegal to invade Panama in '89. The actions by a President to order this - under any circumstances - were in direct violation of treaties to which all OAS members were party. The action of breaking this treaty is itself a violation of US law - and an unarguably impeachable offense.
Yes, yes, and? Great. Again, write a book, but you entirely missed my argument. You aren't even arguing against me unless you want to say that it should not be made illegal to trojanize software.
Backdooring software is small potatoes.
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The NSA key in MS Windows NT+ has never been seriously dicredited - just officially dismissed.
Yes, it has been.
"Just 'cause the brainwashing is free, doesn't mean you /have/ to take one..."
Yeah, whatever, you really don't see that you have entirely avoided the entire context of the argument in order to spout some nonsense which is available on fifty thousand websites? Really. Start a new thread if you want to moan about the horrors of intelligence agencies. For all of this, and I said outloud: "I don't care if they hack pedophile or terrorist suspects" -- and no one catches me on that? That, at least, I would bother to defend because it was something I was actually saying. This stuff I am merely replying to because it is bewildering that the topic could get so far removed just because the subject of America was introduced. Regardless, none of these opinions are new or deep. In fact, they are standard. They are not innovative or insightful... They are deeply banal, common place, as common place as AOL. I think I went through this same phase myself -- before I had acne. 'Watching Enemy of the State' on acid can probably do it to you, too. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBP01IOQkWkugjEnC3EQKMhACgrhiMpetqjZW1VEypOKKr4kZdmTkAoIR+ eP0+NOQtWPJUGaMp68ivfFGB =rc2i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: JAP back doored, (continued)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- Re: JAP back doored Adam Shostack (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Jeremiah Cornelius (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 28)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 29)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)