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RE: JAP back doored
From: "Drew Copley" <dcopley () eeye com>
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:48:23 -0700
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-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Goncalo Costa Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:47 AM To: Drew Copley Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] JAP back doored
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Your arguments have nothing to do with the argument at handwhich isquite simple: Governments should have no right to forcedevelopers to trojanizetheir applications and keep silent about it.
Apparently, this entire email is from someone that wants to argue over the definition of the word "government" here. They take offense at me saying "the German Government did this", though they have no problem saying, "The US government did that". Regardless, I stand by my statement, above, which is exceedingly simple. (And, this statement does not even mention "German", nor "US".) <snip>
I think you should stop for a minute and try to learn the difference between Germany (country), the German state, the German government and the German judicial system. "Germany" did nothing.
Case in point.
If you want to talk about the German government you could talk about http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten
Cool. Just like what the US does. Lotsa of programs like that. Case in point. <snip... A lot of other cases in point> Costa, I do not condemn people that use the word "government" vaguely. There is no reason to. You do condemn people that do this. Yet, you do this yourself. Why be a hypocrite over a rule which is so meaningless that you had to make it up? That is a rhetorical question. I do not need your "answer". Your replies were ludicrous and hypocritical. Even if I bothered defending myself, I would be defending mostly things I did not say. If you want to foam at the mouth on these issues I would suggest alt.hate.USA or something, rather than here. And, yeah, under an assumed name, I have released an anonymizing agent, and that was why I posted on this issue. I did not do it because of anti-German prejudice. In fact, my same group has also released an application by a German developer. My concern, though it may have sounded nationalistic, was not. But, I have already said this, and will not again. Any further emails will be plonked. Maybe you can post on something regarding security. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBP0+f9gkWkugjEnC3EQIxyQCgxnLzsrZOenPwNxB3BlFiwQcsQ9kAn2Eb 2XJxttrY+78rtlDboge0HvzI =MLV0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: JAP back doored, (continued)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- Re: JAP back doored Adam Shostack (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Jeremiah Cornelius (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 27)
- Re: JAP back doored Goncalo Costa (Aug 28)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 29)
- Re: JAP back doored Valdis . Kletnieks (Aug 27)
- RE: JAP back doored Rainer Gerhards (Aug 22)
- RE: JAP back doored Drew Copley (Aug 25)