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power, corruption and lies (was RE: Re[2]: pissed off)
From: "Steve Wray" <steve.wray () paradise net nz>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:35:58 +1200
Phew... I'm just saying that in most normal areas of business theres some sense of liability; that if you do a shit job and sell it to someone and it turns to custard on them, theres some legal fallback. Therefore theres *some* disincentive to sell shit. Powertools for example. Companies that make and distribute powertools that are shit (dangerous and unreliable) stand to lose out big time! Companies that make and distribute software that is shit (dangerous and unreliable) stand to make a fortune with absolutely *no* risk (except to reputation but who cares about reputation when they are taking a dump on a 24 carat toilet? I sure wouldn't). The software industry seems to have nicely circumvented this risk apparently with the (IMO lame) excuse that since its 'impossible' to guarantee its correctness and reliability in the first place the software vendor shouldn't have to shoulder any burden if it turns out to in fact be incorrect and/or unreliable. This has effectively doomed (almost) the entire IT industry to corruption. Yes, all the way from software to hardware, from sales to support, the IT industry is corrupt. Because if you can get away with selling shit and if you can make selling shit profitable, then sell shit! Thats the IT business model in a nutshell. Heck I could print that (and only that) on every page of a 500 page book entitled "IT Industry for dummies" and sell it for $100 a copy and make a fortune... :)
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Melvyn Sopacua Sent: Monday, 28 April 2003 10:23 a.m. To: Steve Wray Cc: 'J G'; full-disclosure () netsys com Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Full-disclosure] pissed off On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Steve Wray wrote: SW>>> And the fact that software companies can get away with SW>>> claiming to have no liability for the fitness of their products SW>>> means that they can continue to produce and sell and make millions SW>>> out of their defective products. So this only applies to sold software? You mean, if a defective program, burns my CPU's it didn't cost me anything? Or with respect to Open Source (or even a paid source license): the fact that the source is available to the end-user, implies the end-user 'could have known' that this would happen?
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