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RE: Australia becomes a police state [serious]
From: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls () utdallas edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:51:41 -0600
What this has to do with full disclosure, I'm at a loss to say. But since your bring it up, I'll ask you to ask yourself one question. You don't need to answer to the list. And anyone who wants to can answer this question for themselves as well. How do you stop someone from blowing up a building *before* they blow it up? If you can honestly answer that, you've come a long way toward understanding what a difficult position governments are in trying to deal with the problem of terrorism. In the end it comes down to who do you fear more? The government (your government) that may exceed its constitutionally proscribed powers in the pursuit of terrorists? Or the terrorist, who knows no law and has only one goal in mind - to kill you and as many other people as he or she can? I don't need you to give *me* your answer. I'm struggling with the same questions myself. Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu) TCS Department Coordinator The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ AVIEN Founding Member -----Original Message----- From: Silvio Cesare [mailto:silvio () big net au] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:50 PM To: Grant Bayley Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Australia becomes a police state [serious] (1) An authorisation (and any decision of the Police Minister-- believe it or not, that means the current New South Wales Minister for Police-- --under this Part with respect to the authorisation) may not be challenged, reviewed, quashed or called into question on any grounds whatsoever before any court, tribunal, body or person in any legal proceedings, or restrained, removed or otherwise affected by proceedings in the nature of prohibition or mandamus. (2) For the purposes of subsection (1), legal proceedings includes an investigation into police or other conduct under any Act (other than the Police Integrity Commission Act 1996). Those provisions clearly show that the Minister for Police has total powers that may not be challenged, reviewed, quashed or called into question on any grounds whatsoever before any court, tribunal, body or person in any legal proceedings, nor can the Minister for Police be restrained, removed or otherwise affected by proceedings in the nature of prohibition or mandamus. These are extraordinary powers--quite extraordinary. We must remember that many Australians died for freedom in this country, yet it is proposed that in an instant we should allow those freedoms to be frittered away in this House. The limitation of clause 13 is exacerbated by clause 29, which ... " ^^ goes on for a while.. check it out yourself. -- Silvio _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- Australia becomes a police state [serious] Silvio Cesare (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] John (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Grant Bayley (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Silvio Cesare (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Grant Bayley (Dec 06)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Kevin Spett (Dec 06)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Grant Bayley (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] John (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Knud Erik Højgaard (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] John (Dec 05)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] sockz loves you (Dec 05)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Peter van den Heuvel (Dec 06)
- RE: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Schmehl, Paul L (Dec 05)
- RE: Australia becomes a police state [serious] Alexander Bartolich (Dec 06)
- Re: Australia becomes a police state [serious] lists (Dec 06)