RE: Cisco CTR

["Teicher, Mark (Mark)" <teicher () avaya com>]

IMHO, Intellitactics is in a different class of products. I have used
the rule correlation engine for mapping events in syslog to Windows
Event viewer. Kiwi Syslog for Windows can help one in a pinch or who has
limited IT budget, but again a different product and not a NIDS, HIDS,
NIPS, NIDS, etc 

/m 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bohling James CONT JBC [mailto:james.bohling () JBC JFCOM MIL] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:08 AM
To: John Petropoulos; Rob Shein; Gary Flynn
Cc: Liran Chen; focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Cisco CTR


Intellitactics may help and may not.  The Intellitactics is only as good
as your sensors (IDS, FW, Syslog, Host based systems, etc).  It is a
manager or correlator of disparate network and host based sensors it
does nothing on the active side unless you install the Incident manager


Thank You,
James T. Bohling, CCNA, Security+, MCP-Win2k
Network Security Engineer - JBC CoE
Joint C4ISR Battle Center (AMSEC)
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Petropoulos [mailto:jpetropoulos () jetnet ca] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:21 AM
To: 'Rob Shein'; 'Gary Flynn'
Cc: 'Liran Chen'; focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Cisco CTR

Considering the scanner knows what to look for...  So at least an update
on the IDS sensor, scanner, CTR, or whatever is going to be needed.

The fact is that there are many IDS alarms to go through and you don't
want
to see anything that isn't going to be a waste of your time.   I would
recommend any product that helps reduce the amount of IDS alarm
management, but I will also issue this one warning, make sure you have a
way of knowing that there is an attack in progress even if the IDS
doesn't alert b/c of CTR.  Examples that may help achieve this: Net
Forensics and Intellitactics or a conjunction of network & host-based
ids with vulnerability analysis engine or the list just goes on...



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Shein [mailto:shoten () starpower net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:56 PM
To: 'Gary Flynn'
Cc: 'Liran Chen'; focus-ids () securityfocus com
Subject: RE: Cisco CTR


Yes, but nobody patches it THAT quickly.  CTR acts immediately, not a
half-hour later...it would have started scanning by the time the hacker
at the other end notices that he has a shell...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Flynn [mailto:flynngn () jmu edu]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:58 PM
> To: Rob Shein
> Cc: 'Liran Chen'; focus-ids () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Cisco CTR
>
>
>
>
> Rob Shein wrote:
>
> > I think this largely relates to the earlier discussion
> about how there
> > is a difference between a "false positive" and an actual
> attack that
> > fails to succeed.  Ask yourself this: are you going to want to know 
> > about all attacks or just those that have a chance of success?  If 
> > someone throws IIS attacks at your apache web server, do
> you want to
> > know about it...or do you want to wait until they start using 
> > apache-compatible exploits?
> >
> > There's a good summary of what CTR does here: 
> > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps5054/
>
> Another thing to think about - some folks have a habit of patching the

> hole they came in through. Just because a vulnerability scan shows no 
> vulnerability it does not mean an attack was unsuccessful.
>
> --
> Gary Flynn
> Security Engineer - Technical Services
> James Madison University
>
> Please R.U.N.S.A.F.E.
> http://www.jmu.edu/computing/runsafe


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