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Re: Hopefully not too OT
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:10:56 -0400
Barney Wolff wrote:
It all depends on whose requirements are being met.
*Bingo* In order to talk meaningfully about requirements, we need to have informed consumers. We don't. So it's pointless. How many end customers of computer systems do you know who could reason effectively about the security properties of a system vis-a-vis their mission? I think, in my career, I have met a few dozen - and almost always they're getting hammered from above and below by co-workers who don't. I stand by my earlier comment; we're doing it all wrong and to actually _solve_ these problems we're going to either need to do something revolutionary or we're going to wind up reinventing trusted systems very slowly and painfully. It's not the most efficient way to go about it, especially since the roadmap was laid out in the early 80s - but computer "science" is the art of ignoring the past while leaping blindly toward a speculative future. mjr. PS - ruthless marketing plug! Framed prints of computer security posters now available from http://www.cafepress.com/ranum _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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