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RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints]
From: "Don Parker" <hydra291 () hotmail com>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:56:47 -0400
Argh, the computer industry is replete with these big flighty words. We should all strive to keep things as simple as possible ie: without the hyperbole. Granted you have to have the endless analogies for those who don't understand computer security, but we should also attempt to keep things as simple as possible. Complexity in both the written word and network design is in itself self defeating. Clarity and simplicity should always be the goal.
Cheers, Don
From: "Tina Bird" <tbird () precision-guesswork com> To: "Bruce B. Platt" <bruce () ei3 com>,"Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>CC: "Paul D. Robertson" <paul () compuwar net>,<firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com>Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:35:06 -0700 > Whatever you do is only as good as your starting hypothesis, the > operational definitions which you create, and your experimental > techniques. > My experience is marginally similar to Bruce's, in that prior to becoming acomputer security architect, I was an observational astrophysicist. My Ph.Dis on hypothesis testing and the use of statistics to study the gravitational evolution of clusters of galaxies. There are a lot of different, orthogonal bits of the current discussion: 1) Did anyone claim that surveys about security are "science"? In particular, is there a hypothesis being tested? If there is a statedhypothesis, is a survey the best way to test it? If it's not testable -- ormore strongly, if it can't be disproved -- it's not science. 2) What is the purpose of the survey author? 3) What do we hope to learn from surveys about security? 4) How do we want to use surveys about security?When I'm in a particularly rebellious mood, I like to argue about the entire>existence< of the discipline of >>computer science<< -- what are the underlying theories and how do you test them? Little of what I >>do<< now has anything to do with science, although a lot of the skills I use day to day are similar to things I did for my research job. I don't think that surveys are designed to be observations that test a theory. cheers -- tbird _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] MHawkins (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Christopher Hicks (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 01)
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- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Stailey, Mike (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Don Parker (Sep 01)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Paul D. Robertson (Sep 03)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Crispin Cowan (Sep 03)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Stephen P. Berry (Sep 04)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] MHawkins (Sep 03)
- Re: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Adam Shostack (Sep 03)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Stailey, Mike (Sep 03)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Paul D. Robertson (Sep 03)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Bill Royds (Sep 04)
- Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Abe Singer (Sep 04)
- RE: Re: Flawed Surveys [was: VPN endpoints] Christopher Hicks (Sep 01)