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Re: Ethics, morality and the industry
From: Mike Smith <jmikesmith () yahoo com>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:48:36 -0400 (EDT)
--- MHawkins () TULLIB COM wrote: <snip>
Are members of a group permitted to use various public actions to ostracize felons in order to demonstrate your personal opposition to actions committed by the felon that offend your moral or ethical view? And by extension: Does "boycotting" fall into the acceptable category of "actions"?
Yes and Yes. You may do anything you wish to show your disapproval, short of breaking the law.
<snip> The idea that Mitnick and his ilk are somehow completely innoculated from further "harassment" (my word) in the form of a boycott of a conference because "they have done their time" is also flawed. To me, that is like saying that Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin (or any other non contrite criminal) are somehow forgiven for doing time for their crimes -
I noted that some crimes are unpardonable. Theft and fraud don't compare to tyranny. Further, I'm not suggesting that every felon should be free from, or even expect freedom from, the disapproval of his fellow citizens. I am suggesting that felons who have paid their penalities and demonstrated good behaviour for several years have the right to lawfully exploit their skills and knowledge to earn a living. <snip>
This is perhaps comparable to a sex predator who does time for molestation of children but who then gets out of jail and proceeds to make a living producing porn movies with children.
I think a more apt comparison is a sex predator who does time for molesting children and who then gets out of jail and lectures or teaches on the motives and methods of sex predators so that those who fight against them can better understand them. One could even argue that by keeping himself in the public eye, he's more likely to be caught should he return to the dark side. <snip>
A black hat will always be a black hat no matter how much white washing you try to do.
Does this apply only to hackers, or does it apply generally? If it's a general statement, then you are describing a world with no forgiveness and no possibilty of redemption. One further note: boycotting the conference denies participants the chance to hear opposing views. Wouldn't those who disapprove of Abagnale or Mitnick serve themselves better by first listening to Abagnale's or Mitnick's message and then thoughtfully and logicall rebutting it? ===== Mike Smith "Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe." H.G. Wells - The Outline of History ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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