RE: Certification (was Re:Vulnerability Response)

["DRISCOLL, ROBERT" <ROBDRI () SAFECO com>]

I've been lurking on this thread for a while and haven't really had much
to add. 

However, I'd like to take a crack.

In the 20+ years that I've been doing IT work, from the Military to
Government to private sector, I've seen people with Certs that didn't
couldn't troubleshoot minor problems, and others that really do some
good work.

But, I've also seen the same from people without Certs.

I guess I see it as this..

In order to have a certificate, at one time in their life a person had
to be familiar enough with the material to pass a test. Whether that
knowledge stays with them or not, is going to vary by the individual.

Hiring Managers and upper management do place a value on certificate,
that is evident by job posting that require/desire them. And cert
holders do report to earn more money. I guess that's the deciding
factor, if a certificate can get you an interview or earn you a few more
$$$ then its probably worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com
[mailto:firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com] On Behalf Of Paul D.
Robertson
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:31 PM
To: Dave Piscitello
Cc: Vladimir Parkhaev; firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
Subject: Re: Certification (was Re:[fw-wiz] Vulnerability Response)


On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, Dave Piscitello wrote:

> > > Expert, n: someone who has made all of the mistakes. See 
> > > "consultant".
> >
> > I strongly disagree. $consultant != 'expert'. Most of the consultants

> > out there have great PR and soft skills and limited technical skills.

> > There are soooo many clueless consultants out there, way more than 
> > cluefull ones...
>
> I hope the moderator will put this thread to bed, as it's degenerating

> into digital racism. Once we begin blanket condemnation of any group 
> we aren't acting much like wizards...

Sure we are, we're smiting!  You can't have wizards without a good
smiting or two!  Me?  I call for a blanket condemnation of attackers.

There, I feel better now.  Good thing it's Friday.

Seriously, no need for anyone to get wrapped up in it, there's nothing
wrong with a little give an take- it's really amusing to see otherwise
rational folks defend consulting or certifications, or attack consulting
or certifications based upon their status as such- now, is the status
due to the belief, or the belief due to the status?  That's the
interesting question in these threads...

Paul
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