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Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads?
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () ranum com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 14:36:52 -0500
Mike Hoskins wrote:
I think the clear point is that lazy admins (engineers, managers, etc.) have caused the current, broken Internet.
Don't you think that's a rather simplistic view? - bad admins are a problem - bad software thrown over the fence without testing is a problem - customers who buy it and field it for mission critical apps are a problem - managers who don't support their technical staff or who "don't get" security are a problem - spammers are a problem - idiots who build websites using neat-o-kool dancing pigs executables to make them more flashy are a problem - idiots who go to those websites and think they are neat-o-kool are a problem - jerks who write viruses are a problem - sleazeball security vendors who trumpet bugs in order to market their products are a problem - hackers are a problem - standards committees that argue eternally and cede the field to Microsoft because of their inaction are a problem - vendors that write proprietary protocols are a problem - customers that buy proprietary protocols are a problem - the bunch of grad students who "invented" the internet and left security out because they didn't think it'd matter were a problem - people who write long postings on mailing lists are a problem I probably missed a few. :) ALL these things contribute to the causes of the current, broken, Internet. Which, in case you hadn't noticed, works well enough for many many purposes. mjr. --- Marcus J. Ranum http://www.ranum.com Computer and Communications Security mjr () ranum com _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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- Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Mike Hoskins (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Mike Hoskins (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? R. DuFresne (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Josh Welch (Jan 04)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? R. DuFresne (Jan 04)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Christopher Hicks (Jan 04)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Paul D. Robertson (Jan 04)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Christopher Hicks (Jan 05)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Paul D. Robertson (Jan 05)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Mike Hoskins (Jan 03)
- Re: Re: Anybody Recognize These Uploads? Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)