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Exploits are important (or "Challenging your assumptions")


From: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:49:56 -0400


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You'd think it would go without saying, but it clearly does not. But
it comes down to this: Exploits are important. Is it true that you can
hack without them: Yes. You can hack, as Mitnick keeps pointing out,
with just a phone and a dream. For example, Val Smith did a post
recently on how he does not use exploit frameworks to hack
(http://carnal0wnage.attackresearch.com/node/453) and you don't HAVE to.

But that doesn't challenge an organization's assumptions. People
expect to get lied to. And they expect misconfiguration and lacking IT
management.

But exploits they don't expect, even when they should. Exploits
provide 3 major assumptions to attackers:

1. The attacker is ring0 on any machine they can execute binary code on
2. The attacker can execute binary code on any machine they can
convince to connect to them (say, a browser)
3. The attacker can execute binary code on any machine they can get to
execute interpreted bytecode (say, a PHP interpreter, or Python on
Google App Engine, or Adobe Reader)

Even without 0day, this is true because of the speed exploits come
out: CANVAS, for example, had the pkexec bug released to customers
yesterday (which YOU I'm sure have already patched, but most people
haven't). We had the OS X local within a day, the MS11-032 local
within a day. This is the first assumption written, not as a abstract
concept, but as a 3K USD per-pentester a year subscription.

So yes, even though as Val Smith say, learning a complex toolset like
an attack framework requires significant time investment, if it can
get you root once, when otherwise you'd have to fiddle around guessing
passwords and leaving logs, it's well worth it. :>

- -dave




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