RE: Can Dave be cloned?

["Andrew R. Reiter" <arr () watson org>]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 kquest () toplayer com wrote:

:
:Good luck with that... I'm trying to find people
:like that too (maybe a bit less advanced, but
:who have a potential for it). The prospects aren't
:that great. People like that are already taken,
:so your best bet is to look for somebody with
:a potential and drive.
:
:Kyle

Kyle brings up a good point that is so often missed by either HR or
"directors" who are developing the job req..  I've been at numerous
companies in which they have open positions for QA and their job
requirements, if met by the candidate, would put them "ahead" of our
principal engineers... Not to say that this would never occur, but I mean
come on :-)

I just agree whole-heartedly that "potential and drive" are quite often
overlooked in this day of mass mailed resumes... It's a tough business
finding good candidates.  *sigh*

Cheers,
Andrew

:-----Original Message-----
:From: David Stein [mailto:david.r.stein () gmail com]
:Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:18 PM
:To: dailydave () lists immunitysec com
:Subject: [Dailydave] Can Dave be cloned?
:
:
:Desperately seeking Dave...
:
:I need to find one or more smart computer security hackers.  People
:who do research, but have some idea what goes on in the real world.
:People who write excellent software (especially in Python or Perl) but
:who are not merely software developers.  People who can do software
:engineering in both the forward and reverse directions.  People who
:can make new discoveries without having their hands held.  People who
:are frighteningly intelligent.  People, in short, a lot like Dave
:(well, the arrogance is optional).
:
:Do such people come out of school anymore?  Can anyone suggest a good
:way to look for them?  I've found a number of ways (starting with my
:corporate HR department) to get deluged by piles of resumes for MCSE's
:and computer rackstackers and Java ("The COBOL of the 21st Century
:(TM)") programmers, but I can't seem to find any true hackers.  It
:seems like the species is extinct.
:
:The degree of difficulty is increased because I'm looking for someone
:who has to be a US citizen.  It seems like a lot (maybe most) of the
:best work is being done outside the US these days.  From what I can
:tell the brightest US college students aren't interested in computers
:any longer.
:
:Anyone have any suggestions?
:
:Thanks,
:--
:David Stein
:david.r.stein () gmail com
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