RE: Removing ping/icmp from a network

["Murda Mcloud" <murdamcloud () bigpond com>]

I think the important thing here is where Strykar says 'supposedly secure'.
What are the risks that you can see on that network? Are there enough risks
to tip it past the 'trusted' point.
Granted, 'trusted' is just a label, and not a metric as such here.
I know the word has a meaning in the 'inside of the perimeter and not the
DMZ' sense but what else does it mean to people?

Scott Ramsdell said:
> > Even on my trusted LAN, I only allow echo request/echo reply.

Which made me wonder, is that a 'trusted' LAN then? Different networks have
different needs and different risks to address. 
When does it stop being trusted? Because it's outside a firewall? Behind a
router? Because I don't know the people using the clients on the LAN? What
does everyone else think? 
Obviously I don't trust some of my users not to mistakenly or purposefully
access risky websites or services-otherwise I wouldn't have controls in
place to mitigate that. But they are on my 'trusted' LAN.
So trusted seems a fuzzy concept here; a human word for a human situation.

Personally, I'd find it very difficult to do my job without Mike Muss'
awesome little program, ping. So blocking ICMP is not going to happen on the
inside...of my, uh, trusted LAN.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
> > On Behalf Of Strykar
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:30 AM
> > To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> > Subject: RE: Removing ping/icmp from a network
> >
> > You don't discourage ICMP on a network, that's uninformed Jim the farmer
> > cum
> > Sysad talk.
> >
> >
> > - S
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Secure This
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:00 PM
> > To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> > Subject: Removing ping/icmp from a network
> >
> > I have a variety of clients with data centres who all make use of
> > icmp/ping to monitor their servers/appliances/devices (often with poorly
> > configured snmp versions 1 and 2).
> >
> > Could anybody kindly advise me of tools and strategies for minimising or
> > removing the use of icmp/ping on a supposedly secure network?
> >
> > Thanks in advance