Re: what should I do when....

[Adriel Desautels <adriel () netragard com>]

Ansgar,
	What I said is not wrong, it is actually very accurate. Firewalls are 
traffic shaping devices and it is my opinion that they are not security 
devices. In fact, I'm not sure what you disagree with.

        I said:

"It is my opinion that firewalls are not security devices as much as
they are traffic shaping devices. Their job is to control network
connections and the flow of traffic, not to ensure that something
can't be hacked."

You accused me of being wrong, but then you said:

"A firewall is the implementation of a concept of what kind of traffic 
you want to allow or disallow between any two given networks."

Isn't that what I said? You are in fact shaping traffic by controlling 
what goes in and out. I suppose my use of the term "Traffic Shaping" 
could be argued.

I do think that firewalls can be used to enforce certain policies that 
are security oriented, but firewalls are not in my opinion security devices.

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Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
> On 2008-07-09 Adriel Desautels wrote:
> >         You can not bullet proof a computer system by using a firewall even if
> >         you block all traffic to and from that system.
>
> If you carefully re-read my mail you'll notice that I didn't claim
> anything like that. I said that both tasks are equally difficult.
>
> > In most configurations firewalls block inbound connection attempts to
> > *internal* systems, while they permit outbound attempts from those
> > systems.
> >
> > It is my opinion that firewalls are not security devices as much as
> > they are traffic shaping devices. Their job is to control network
> > connections and the flow of traffic, not to ensure that something
> > can't be hacked.
>
> That's just plain wrong. Even if you think of firewalls as mere packet
> filtering devices they still control which connections may or may not be
> established inbound and/or outbound. That is most certainly a security
> feature.
>
> However, firewalls are not limited to being mere packet filters. A
> firewall is the implementation of a concept of what kind of traffic you
> want to allow or disallow between any two given networks. On top of
> packet filters a firewall may include DMZs, proxies (for application
> layer filtering), virus scanners, VPN endpoints, and various other
> measures.
>
> Regards
> Ansgar Wiechers