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RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys
From: "Craig Wright" <Craig.Wright () bdo com au>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:46:46 +1100
Only in Federal Government, A federal university and selected other cases is this illegal in most states in the US (see at will employment etc). Many firms/companies can not do this due to Union rules (but this is not a legal issue). Craig Craig Wright Manager of Information Systems Direct : +61 2 9286 5497 Craig.Wright () bdo com au +61 417 683 914 BDO Kendalls (NSW) Level 19, 2 Market Street Sydney NSW 2000 GPO BOX 2551 Sydney NSW 2001 Fax +61 2 9993 9497 www.bdo.com.au Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation in respect of matters arising within those States and Territories of Australia where such legislation exists. The information in this email and any attachments is confidential. If you are not the named addressee you must not read, print, copy, distribute, or use in any way this transmission or any information it contains. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return email, destroy all copies and delete it from your system. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and not necessarily endorsed by BDO Kendalls. You may not rely on this message as advice unless subsequently confirmed by fax or letter signed by a Partner or Director of BDO Kendalls. It is your responsibility to scan this communication and any files attached for computer viruses and other defects. BDO Kendalls does not accept liability for any loss or damage however caused which may result from this communication or any files attached. A full version of the BDO Kendalls disclaimer, and our Privacy statement, can be found on the BDO Kendalls website at http://www.bdo.com.au or by emailing administrator () bdo com au. BDO Kendalls is a national association of separate partnerships and entities. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Eric White Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 3:27 AM To: 'Jan Heisterkamp'; 'Nick Vaernhoej' Cc: 'security-basics' Subject: RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys I'm not sure this this illegal in the U.S. I believe the company owns the assets (PC, network, phones, servers, etc), and can monitor them as they see fit. You can argue the ethics of such a thing, but I don't see how it's illegal. If an employer states something along the lines of "all company property if for authorized use only and all use of property may be monitored and logged" and I agree to this policy (either by signing paperwork when I'm hired or by clicking through this message when I login), I shouldn't be surprised when my actions are in fact monitored, should I? -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Eric White -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Jan Heisterkamp Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:19 AM To: Nick Vaernhoej Cc: security-basics Subject: Re: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Nick Vaernhoej schrieb:
A key logger? At what point are we crossing the line of common decency
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Precisely the question has to be:" At what point are we crossing the line of common demency [...] 1. The use of keylogger in a company environment without employees consent or judicial decree is ilegal and will bring your company in serious problems 2. For that, your forensic "e-Trail" is nothing worth due the fact that the information you received from the keystroking-logs does not comply with legal reqirements in order to be accepted as evidence in a trial. 3. The time you afford for a general monitoring of all users keystroke logs is wasted time and costs your company money 4. There are enough other ways to secure workstations properly Regards, Jan
-----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Vandenberg, Robert Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:18 AM To: security-basics Subject: RE: Securing workstations from IT guys Those are good points. I would recommend that you put in a keystroke logger program with the written approval of your upper management on the PCs in question and then download the logs each day. That way you are able to create a forensics "e-Trail" that can be used to confront/counsel/etc. them. I
would also make sure that you look at your documenation and ensure that each IT person has signed a document stating that they will not use their abilities improperly. Combine those two and you have a means of pursuing them legally. This electronic transmission is intended for the addressee (s) named
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- RE: RE: Securing workstations from IT guys, (continued)
- RE: RE: Securing workstations from IT guys David Gillett (Nov 27)
- Re: Re: Securing workstations from IT guys bert . knabe (Nov 27)
- Re: Securing workstations from IT guys Bob (Nov 28)
- Re: Securing workstations from IT guys stuff (Nov 28)
- FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Nick Vaernhoej (Nov 28)
- Re: Securing workstations from IT guys Michael R. Martinez (Nov 28)
- Re: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Jan Heisterkamp (Nov 29)
- RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Worrell, Brian (Nov 29)
- RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Craig Wright (Nov 29)
- RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Eric White (Nov 29)
- RE: FW: Securing workstations from IT guys Craig Wright (Nov 29)