Re: chat logs

["Hamish Stanaway" <koremeltdown () hotmail com>]

Mihai,

Thank you for your views on the situation, it is good to see young faces 
other than myself contributing to the list.
In some cases your opinion would be correct, however when it comes to 
serious issues such as threats of life, harm to others, or danger towards 
others (and especially children) we must all come together and agree on 
common ground - there is no length we must not go to if necessary (including 
invading a childs privacy) to ensure that potential victims are kept out of 
harms way.
Having worked within legal investigations online, I am only too aware of how 
serious a seemingly harmless conversation can be. A few details from an 
innocent child over chat, and your child may never come home. A few nasty 
words from your child towards someone that isn't all there, and your childs 
life is in danger - it's that serious.
This is the internet, and anyone we chat to can be just that - anyone. Kind, 
caring, depressive, psychotic - you just never know. Children cannot judge 
character as well as adults, and sometimes this means children will make 
mistakes online. Parents must, to all of their ability, guide their child to 
judge a person properly on the internet.
This isn't just a topic which concerns internet security issues, but also 
real world security issues as well. Information gathered from an innocent 
child by person(s) with unkind intentions can cause the most serious and 
extreme of implecations.
I would ask everyone to keep that in mind.



Kindest of regards,

Hamish Stanaway, Director

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Auckland, New Zealand

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> From: Mihai Amarandei <mihai () xmcopartners com>
> To: Melissa Fischer <Melissa.Fischer () NorthMemorial com>
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> Subject: Re: chat logs
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> I'm glad too se everyone helping out to find the logs and giving advice on 
> how to search those teen-agers web history.
> Just me(and this has nothing to do with security), but wouldn't it be 
> better that each parent asked directly its children about such incidents 
> instead of searching and digining through their logs and web history?
> I for one wouldn't like it that my parents knew all my browsing and 
> chatting habbits, and I think this is the case for most of today's persons. 
> Teens are as ,uch entitled to their privacy "apriori" as anyone else in my 
> opinion.
> I know all I've said has not much to do with security (actually it has to 
> do with privacy), but neither is searching for logs.
> I'm not trying to undermine the importance of the threat and the gravity of 
> the situation, I just don't think such an intrusion of privacy would be a 
> good answer.
>
>
> Mihai
> Blog: http://secinternship.blogspot.com
>
> Melissa Fischer wrote:
>
> > Our community, Waconia, Minnesota has recently been the victims of
> > threats against our children and schools.
> > http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5399090.html
> >
> > The Emergency Response Task Force assigned to our case asked parents to
> > go home and check their kids computers for any chats or emails with
> > information.
> >
> > We are trying to find a document explaining where and what to look at
> > to find any information.  We would like to post this on our school main
> > page www.waconia.k12.mn.us for a resource for parents to use on how to
> > find any information.  Can you tell me where to find this information?
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> >
> >
> > Melissa Fischer
> > Database Administrator
> > Data  and System Engineering
> > North Memorial Health Care
> > 763/520-1533
> > melissa.fischer () northmemorial com
>
>
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