RE: wireless access point

["David Gillett" <gillettdavid () fhda edu>]

  It seems to me that the distinction between "detect and
report about a previously-unknown available access point"
and "detect ACTIVE USE of a previously-unknown available
access point" is that the latter is of far less use....

David Gillett

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bo Mendenhall [mailto:Bo.Mendenhall () hsc utah edu]
> Sent: June 6, 2003 13:25
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: wireless access point
>
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong:
>
> Marvin's Statement below is true because eventually someone
> who has the SSID for an AP will hop on the AP, at which time
> it broadcasts the SSID, so Netstumbler would potentially pick
> it up the SSID at that point.
>
> > > > "Myers, Marvin" <MRMyers () anteon com> 06/06/03 12:34PM >>>
> That is not entirely true. Netstumbler does in fact detect
> AP's that do not broadcast their SSID, it just takes longer.
> I have proven this on more than one occasion using
> NetStumbler on XP with both Orinoco and Netgear cards.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Harrington [mailto:charrington () syseng com]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:23 PM
> To: lod () acmesecurity org; security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: wireless access point
>
> Netstumbler does not detect AP's that do not broadcast their
> SSID. I know Kismet and Wellenreiter do, I cant speak for the others.
>
> --Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luiz Otávio Duarte [mailto:lod () acmesecurity org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:54 PM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: RE: wireless access point
>
>
> Hi,
>
> > Is there any way of detecting wireless access point that doesn't
> > broadcast
> > the SSID?
>
> Yep, It's possible. I will tell you why:
>
>    We have two probing modes for channels in a 802.11 network.
>
>   - Activing probe - Is when the prober machine exchange some
> probe frames
> with the AP.
>
>   - RFMON - Radio Frequency Monitor (Passive probe) - when
> the probe machine
> capture all data in the channel and try to find some SSID
> (Service Set
> Identification)
>
>   You can find AP that does not broadcast the SSID using any
> probe technique.
>
>   You can use: Netstumbler, DStumbler, Kismet, Wellenreiter, THC-RUT,
> WEPCrack, AirSnort, ....
>
> That's All Folks!
>
> --
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> # www.acmesecurity.org/~lod
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