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Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin
From: shawn merdinger <dinger () gslis utexas edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:46:53 -0600 (CST)
There's a post about this at http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?threadid=572 the posting quotes John Grossman (head of Hight Tech/Computer Crimes of the MA Att. Gen. Office) as making the statement. -scm On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Bill Pennington wrote:
Just a quick follow-up to Batz excellent points. I recall reading that the Attorney General of Massachusetts made the statement that if any officer spotting someone walking are driving around with a laptop and an antenna, the officer should call him and that he would be able to get a probable cause search warrant issued in no time. Sorry I can;t find the article right now but I think it was in the Boston Globe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "batz" <batsy () vapour net> To: "Bill Pennington" <billp () boarder org> Cc: <vuln-dev () securityfocus com>; "Russell Handorf" <rhandorf () mail russells-world com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kinOn Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Bill Pennington wrote: :1. For Netstumbler to detect the WLAN in question the WLAN must be :configured in "open" mode. So the WLAN (Access Point more specifically)must:respond to 802.11b probe packets with a packet that says, hey I am hereand:available. There is also a big issue with "illegal" vs. "successfully prosecutable", which is; On networks, No Policy = No Crime. Without explicit warnings to all users on the network about acceptable use and the ownership of the network, it is quite possible that charges would not stick because of this very issue. IANAL, however, there are laws in Canada that may apply to war driving, which have to do with the unlawful interception of data. Whether something is legal or not is actually a much more abstract question than many people tend to realize. If you are worried about whether something is illegal, err on the side of caution, and stop doing it, and find out from a professional. Free advice is seldom worth what you pay for it. Illegal can mean anything from being probable cause for search, to cause for arrest, to being charged, to being convicted and the weight of the sentence you recieve. It is a question of whether you are provoking someone into interprating the law as a means of recourse, and whether you are willing to risk the consequences of that provocation. -- batz
Current thread:
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin, (continued)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Bill Pennington (Mar 15)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Russell Handorf (Mar 15)
- RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin ZeroBreak (Mar 16)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Ralf Dreibrodt (Mar 16)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Tim Landscheidt (Mar 17)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Eduardo Cruz (Mar 17)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Joe Stanievich (Mar 17)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Russell Handorf (Mar 15)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Bill Pennington (Mar 15)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin batz (Mar 19)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Bill Pennington (Mar 25)
- RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Erik Hjelmstad (Mar 25)
- Re: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin shawn merdinger (Mar 25)
- RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Richard Rager (Mar 19)
- RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin sfijn (Mar 26)
- RE: Wireless Legality- Netstumbler and kin Lincoln Yeoh (Mar 26)